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Or take Lotann and grab the +1 to charge and run isharann ritual as an extra when you need it with fount of willpower

I can't help but be intrigued by Ionrach... turn 1: 6 block of morsarr blast in and MW, do their charge damage. king can stay within 12" and do his thing. turn 2: king uses ionrach special heroic action, eels can retreat 14", then run 17 (14 + 3) and charge (7) (from flood ride) , effectively, moving 24". But wait! Add in Surging Stream for +1 to charge/run, you're moving another 1 and increasing your charge odds like crazy. Meet up with the king and pop the high tide ability for whatever else is there. If you don't need the movement, grab Riptide ritual and drop D3 MW on a 4+ on your retreat out during turn 2. turn 3: we all know what happens on turn 3 if things didn't go poorly. It feels like a way to fix a lot of the issues with Morrsarr, namely that they just poop out once they're in combat. This makes the all-in on turn 3 even more so. I need to try it out though.

I've found @vinnyt analysis, presentation, and passion nothing but excellent in this thread. It's made playing IDK much more enjoyable for me. As always, loved the comparative analysis above and hope you continue posting as for me, it's been aces.

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My opposition to sea is he’s just too swingy. Everything on the warscroll says D3 this or D6 that. Points can’t really make up for reducing risk of that kind of rng.

Okay this all helps my train of thought. He’s a agile, specialty piece who primarily buffs and with cloud of midnight distracts and tarpitts. I think it’s a good piece for the army. I don’t see a viable replacement, that +1 to wound is huge.

So a few more practice games in and things are stabilizing for me. One constant however is my Eidolon of the storm seems to be weaker in combat than I always expect. It is hardy, with the 5+ ward and all the healing it always is around being useful, but it’s not the hammer I keep expecting. The +1 to wound aura is hugely important - but am I missing something with its attacks?

Fantastic feedback, as always @vinnyt, I've got my tournament tomorrow so I'm cramming 😂. Few more questions... Predator’s Domain You could drop a ship outside of 9" if possible in your back corners to prevent teleport space, and garrison a ship with a Tidecaster to take that at the end to grab an extra terrain control. And you have two of those. I might try this GS because I just feel like all the other ones are too hard to pull off. Good thought on it. Worst case, I am flying around in Rd 5 trying to grab as many as I can to get 5 of the 8 (maybe 4 of the 8 + 1 with the boat to take it). Setting up Reavers/Thralls wrt Coherency / on objectives I found myself unsure of where to place the Namarti foot troops. I ended up running the reavers/thralls to _their_ side of the objective to screen it off from the enemy to stop them from walking onto it which did work a bit until they died, buying me at least a turn. Is it optimal to hold the thralls on my side of an objective leaving space for bigger hammers to land? It would probably help with numbers on objectives for longer - but reduces their use as a screen. Do you generall screen them out in a single line, or two ranks 1" apart with triangles at the end? With Reavers, I'm always fighting the balance between 9" out to do unleash hell, and keeping them safe on objectives for numbers. Rolling and Rerolling all those darn dice Any tips on going faster? I have 2.5 hours per game and I have to roll SO MANY DICE with the double re-rolls it's crazy! I suppose memorizing war scrolls is my only shot, I'm working on that haha. Other than that, I think I'm ready to roll :).

Played a game against Nurgle last night and felt like I took a nice step forward in how to use the infamous @vinnyt list :). Few questions as a result of that game.. Run and Charge (or shoot) I found that during turn 1 I was a bit stuck on what unit to run (and subsequently charge OR shoot). The OR is the hard part in that rd 1 ability when flipping the tides. The sharks seem most logical to not shoot since they can move 20" and then charge, giving a ton of board control. But this means they can't shoot which makes them reliant on some other shooting to chip the unit they're going into for the bonus from Bloodthirsty Predators. The turtle has a nice profile on both shooting/melee, but it only moves 10" so behind the screens I felt like it couldn't really open up and run that far anyways. Grand Strategy Amazingly my game was tied, all the way through battle tactics. It came down to me taking Hold the Line and not getting it because, well, as you stated "I don't care if they live or die." Turns out, I did since the grand strategy does matter. Which GS are you all finding works well? Vendetta/Prized Sorcery seems appealing since my Tidcaster hides far away and uses Arcane Corrasion, it might survive in most games - even against shooting where Forgotten Nightmares is in effect, it would make it hard to shoot the general off the board. Of course, deep strikes would basically give this away if my tidecaster was left in a corner and zapped off. Beast Master feels relevant because the turtle is so hardy and frankly I think if I lose it I'm going to have a hard time winning anyways? Soulscryer Seeker of Souls I noticed the rule says you *must* add +3 to all units within 3, and they *must* land within a half inch of whatever enemy unit is selected for +3 to charge. I would have pulled other units into that charge I didn't want to, and it removed some flexibility around which units I splitting up on a specific objective. Is the Seeker of Souls sort of a one-time thing early game before all the units get junked up together? Not enough bodies on objectives My namarti did a great job screening, lasting at least 2-3 rounds. But it was very hard with sharks flanking either side to have enough numbers to take objective from Plaguebearers (which were fairly buffed up from abilities + hero synergies). The mathlaan ended up with a unit of sharks and the soul scryer + 10 thralls (which were slowly dying off) but it still wasn't enough to take the objective once the thralls were deleted - Sharks (2x2), Mathlaan (2), Soulscryer (1), and say 5 thralls (5) is still only 12 bodies. They had at least 15-20 with only a unit of Pleaguebearers and a few cavalry there (the fly things). How quickly should the turtle get involved? I set up with my namarty in front, the eels behind, and then the turtle behind. The issue was, my turtle (aside from shooting) really didn't get involved into turn 3. It was too far back, and sort of blocked out of moving up efficiently. It got onto a central objective and just sorta hung out because other units were not within charge yet. Is that okay? Ultimately, late-game, the turtle helped me climb way back and delete a bunch of other monsters and such so it was fine, but it felt like I was building a wall that the enemy had to churn thru before I could really do anything. (combined w/ the above question of not being able to capture the flanks without enough bodies, it set me back a bit) Turtle + Eidolon "Goon Squad" No questions, just wanted to say WOW, I finally saw the goon squad in action last night as I deleted half a GUO and Bloab Rotspawned in a turn. My opponent was like "um, that turtle is quite good isn't it." 😂

There was a unit of sharks alllll the way on the right side of the table. I was running them up the right to try to take the back right objective. Perhaps a poor decision? The left-hand side sharks were eaten immediately by the mawkrusha (orange). Ahhhhhhhh that's genius - yup, that was the play. OKAY. I am ready for another attempt, I'll report back. I hope others are getting value from this discourse as well!

Feral Foray. I believe it's WW my territory since that ends on the mid line. I think maybe it's not outside of 3" from other terrain though. I need to remember that. I was a 3 drop (hunter of the heartlands for my 2x2 sharks, battle regiment for the rest). He was a 1 drop. I had to do some googling, but this seems like a refused flank or declined flank and makes a lot of sense to me :). All of the other notes about moving back makes sense. I always am surprised how far stuff can move. I could be wrong, but I think the darn eels were outside of the tortle, so they were on a 4+ unrendable. I may have dorked up the rules when I was saving, it's possible I was in shock when the maw krusha arrived 😂. SIGH. Yea that's a great point. I totally didn't pile in and attack w/ the Eidolon. My fear with committing with the turtle was even if I killed the megaboss on mawkrusha (red) which had an amulet of destiny on it as well, the mawkrusha next door would have slammed into me with all those gruntas. Is the turtle going to survive that kind of damage? I suppose the eidolon could have retreated and charged which would have helped. Running away with the turtle might be a bad idea, as I lost out on a lot of combat in the first two turns because of that mentality. The turtle needs to cleanly engage in combat every phase it seems like, not using it for a whole combat phase seemed like a mistake. Is it of no concern to lose the +1 to save on the screens while the turtle is in reserve? I suppose the flexibility makes it worth it. Those thralls are probably dead anyways. The eels are then a 4+ (unless I use all out defense). Probably fine if the plan is a hard counter punch? Thanks a ton @vinnyt I feel more and more confident every time I touch the army or list. Hoping to get a few more games in before tourney day :).

Alright @vinnyt I have much learning to do... this was still a mostly rules learning game on both side - we got through 1 round, but I think I blew the game in deployment. I played Iron Jawz. Deployment I tried to mostly adhere to your tips, but I may have poorly setup my screens. I also didn't protect my corners. I had no idea where to put the darn ships. My Thralls were outside of 12" for my turtle buff, and the Sharks also were out of range of it. I had a tidecaster way on the back right corner to flip the tides and give off chip damage. He used Mighty Destroyers to move 12" with his mawkrusha (orange) in his hero phase He used Fast ’Un to move his Megaboss (red) on mawkrusha in his hero phase He then made a move + charge to get into my Thralls with the megaboss Then he used Get ’Em Beat (3+ from a warchanter went off) on his Mawkrusha and was able to easily get into my sharks, he rolled a 15 on 3D6... Because of Smashing and Bashing he was able to use the Gore-gruntas which followed the mawkrushas, and then lastly his other MawKrusha attacked the reavers/thralls. I responded with what I could using Unleash hell with the reavers and did some chip damage. My eels and thralls got wiped before I could attack. My Eidolon got sucked within 3" from the Megaboss, and it was stuck in combat. At this point I was pretty hosed. My deployment failed me I think. I moved my sharks up, the eidolon retreated, I tried to anchor his Gruntas in the middle since I knew I wanted to at least move off to the right towards his territory. I positioned my Reavers within 9" to get off more shots. I moved the turtle up thinking I would try to run away from the Megaboss, not sure if that was smart. I essentially wanted to flip the table. There's not much I could see doing at that point really. I did some damage with shooting on the Mawkrusha, took out 1 gore-grunta in the middle, and did some chip damage to the Gruntas on the top right objective, thinking I would charge them with sharks next turn. This is end of turn 1: I did win the double, and since we were out of time, I just rammed the turtle and eidolon into the megaboss, as well as the reavers shooting - I actually was able to kill it despite a 5+ ward from the amulet on the darn thing. It took a lot to take it out. The sharks made their move + charge and were about to attack when we had to call it because of time. I would have been tabled next turn maybe from the mawkrusha + gruntas, it would have been interesting. Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Tournament dec 4… practicing as much as I can beforehand! Your advice has been invaluable in rocketing my prep :).

Is the Soulscryers reliability a result of its +3 to charge? Is the turtles favorite snack -1 rend because 12 of its attacks are -1 rend? It seems like with the list, you can either grab an extra unit of Ishlaen or the Soulscryer. I see you have experimented with both. I can see the value of Ishlaen allowing more blocking/tanking of damage. The Soulscryer gives you deep strikes and the charge buff. Any thoughts on which is a better choice? Or is it opponent dependent? I like the idea of having deep strike to mess with armies that charge straight at you, or scenarios where you can flank / get objectives in their territory. Also expands options for battle tactics relying on being in the opponents territory. Do you generally slam the Eidolon into something very threatening, for example a Maw Krusha? I can see throwing it at something big and popping cloud of midnight. In that case, the Eidolon wouldn't be able to attack though, so how do you benefit both from its ability to waste a turn while still outputting damage? Do you just wait until the next turn to retreat and charge? I can see sending in some eels with it to really hold down an opponent. Some thoughts about how to use the Eidolon and Cloud of Midnight would be awesome. You mention earlier in a post that you bring Born From Agony (+2 Wounds) on the Tidecaster, and Master of Magic (re-roll dispell, amongst other things). That's 2 command traits - did I miss how you were making that happen? @vinnyt This post is fantastic, thanks a ton!

It seems like you’d want all your sharks (2x2, 2x2, and the mathlaan) death starring, ya? Turtle can go do it’s own thing, defensive eels, reavers, and thralls screening and hammering if given the chance?