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So I don't want to derail the conversation or suggest that it's not great you guys are using your time to moderate these forums but there was a discussion a few pages back about why TGA seemed to have slowed down and there was less chat. There was a pretty interesting and completely rational/friendly discussion happening in this thread that is now shut down,which is a common occurrence, participants are always encouraged to make a new thread discussing the topic but it rarely happens. I appreciate that this is the "Rumours" thread but it's often used as the general chat thread, there aren't enough consistent rumours to keep this thread alive daily but in its place interesting discussion about all things Warhammer constantly pop up. Is it worth continually squashing these conversations in the hopes new threads that are never actually started will appear or should this just become the general/rumours thread or something to that effect? Again I'm not here to dismiss the mods or take shots, I just know that this is the main thread I come to read and it's disheartening to constantly see interesting discussion squashed because it doesn't align with the thread title. Edit: quick edit to say not everyone might feel this way and that's totally fair but for me it's been a frustration for awhile 2nd edit: To clarify I specifically am referring to discussion being shut down for being off topic, the mods here are fantastic at shutting down arguments, people getting carried away and bigoted language or discussion ❤️

Generally that's fine, you measure out the front models and any model where distance is crucial (maybe tagging an objective on a side model) then filling the back ranks behind. If the unit has shooting and the back ranks may be in a position where they could be out of range it's best to measure from the back ranks to the target and determine if that is less than the units move + range so you can confirm with your opponent it is possible. E.g. my judicators shoot 18 and move 5 (23 in total), they are set up in 3 ranks. I measure the back ranks and find they are 22 away. I can now move my first rank 5 and eyeball the next 2 ranks with both myself and opponent comfortable that I am indeed in range. Playing with intention is a really good habit to get into, being clear with your opponent about where your models are and the distances from one another, it makes the game much faster and cleaner

Correct, miscast mortals are spread to whichever model the player wants

This is what I was going to say. I don't think AoS is less popular recently I think TGA is. My local messenger group is pumping, discord is super popular, ever faction has its own WhatsApp and Facebook

No it's still clear, the ruling is around how you distribute wounds to units with a Wizard in them, while the high sentinel is the wizard/caster the spell is still cast by that unit because the high sentinel is part of that unit. It's weird but unless the rule stated that the model that cast the spell must take the wounds you can spread them as you please.

Sylvaneth in Lumineth confirmed

"maybe local scene is not always representative of the global playerbase?" Wow you really got me with my own point! Either way we're moving away from what I originally pointed out. Ignoring wards has existed for 4 years, it's not worth getting up in arms over, especially when you've noted that you don't play anymore so you have 0% chance of running into anything with this rule.

And I've never seen the Roos in play before. I also just played a 40 person tournament with 2 Bonesplitters and 2 Big wagh lists so maybe local scene is not always representative of the global playerbase?

What metric are you using to measure that Lumineth roo riders are more popular than dreadscythe harridans, Sigvald and the entirety of bonesplitters? And ultimately there is no problem with this rule as long as it is used correctly but this is on an expensive unit with a short range attack that has fairly soft defense so it seems pretty well balanced to me. In fact almost every book that has come out has been pretty well balanced with good rules so maybe it's not worth screaming into the void, especially when you're not playing the game anyway

Tomorrow's article is going to be interesting, if it's gargants we might see them all arrive same time? Although I think more likely just tzeentch and Lumineth

No? There have been abilities that ignore wards long before this one, this is no indication that we're suddenly getting wards that negate ward negation. I'm actually really confused why people are so up in arms about this rule other than maybe that it is on Lumineth and there is always severe amounts of panic around anything Lumineth does.

It's been FAQ'd. 19.4 Q: Some effects inflict damage that can only be allocated to Wizards. Can you explain how such damage is allocated to a unit that is not a Wizard but includes models that are Wizards, e.g. a High Warden from a unit of Vanari Auralan Wardens? A: The wounds are allocated to the unit as normal (core rules, 14.1) So it's the third option. The unit would take 6 wounds however they can be allocated to any models in the unit

So to make it clearer because you seem to have missed my point. If effected by this ability you do not pile in at all. "Until the end of the turn" is how long the effect lasts, it is not moving the action to a different part of the turn. "Until the end of the turn" is used on multiple rules and abilities to determine the length of time the specific effect lasts. It is a measurement of time and it's ridiculous to think that this single rules is somehow different. Also I never once suggested that the end of turn means the turn is over per se. There is still some housekeeping and the occasional ability that can take effect but the end of the turn is still the end of the turn, it's the last part before the start of the next turn and therefore a great place for abilities to end. The fact you decided I don't know the end of turn exists is a weird misreading of what I wrote and is concerning because you are severely misreading this rule as well. Edit: Added to this your logic would suggest the Kruleboyz Nasty Hex spell means opponent move their ward rolls to the end of the turn but what happens between their? I do damage, you remove models and at the end of the turn you roll wards and bring models back? Same with Seraphons Celestial harmony, do you think it moves battleshock tests to the start of your next hero phase? So a unit could conceivably roll 3 stored battleshock rolls in a hero phase? You're reading it wrong, you cant pile in during the end of turn unless you have an ability that lets you but this doesn't. It's a simple rule that prevents you pileing in, that's all.

That seems like the wrong reading to me. You can't pile in until the end of the turn means you are unable to make pile in moves, once the game state has moved onto the end of the turn effected units are once again able to pile in when able. End of the turn is how long the effect lasts, it's a qualifier used across the entire game. Almost all buffs and debuffs say X unit is buffed/debuffed until end of turn/next hero phase, end of phase etc. Why would this be the only ability that acts differently to this phrasing? So RAW seems pretty clear, they have a set convention for the effect than the length of time the effect lasts. RAI is not a great way to measure anything but to me the rules are clearly designed to work together so I would say it's definitely RAI but who care what randoms think the intention is. Either way the unit effected cannot pile in that turn, at the end of the turn the debuffs turns off and the effected unit is able to pile in during combat next turn or during any other phase it has the ability to do so.

Edit. Misread question -------_--------------------------------- Are you suggesting because the ability prevents pile in during combat that the units move their pile in to the end of the turn?

Absolutely! If you can get the prosecutors there it's worth using them to eat the overwatch. It's worth noting though that you shouldn't eat shots from 6 bolt Boyz though. The prosecutors have a little shooting, the chariot does too, if the knight judicator works it can kill one and most importantly the mortal wounds from the chariots charge happen before the boltboyz shoot so that should also kill a couple. Again it might be worth using the dragons to snipe the boltboyz with shooting even if they engage a different unit in combat

Ok so boltboyz are really the biggest threat in that army so the quicker you can get them out the better. Because he can't be shot outside of 12 you have to create your opening with movement. Put units in reserve, it prevents your opponent from just moving his units freely. However don't rely on deep striking and charging, the best units to deepstrike tend to be shooting units to give them a better angle or range for shooting, or cheap units for choking the battlefield and taking objectives that it doesn't matter if they die. Use ranges. His boltboyz his hard but the 3 shot mode has a max range of 17" (12 range +5 move) so keep your dragons/chariot/yndrasta 17.1 inches away so on your next turn they can move across the board and shoot/charge the unit Use your cheap units to screen his monsters out. Redeemer's are suprisingly tanky and opponents that don't respect them can be punished. Stormcast don't have as many rules, tricks or abilities as most other factions but we do have solid warscrolls with good damage so positioning is key. I've put a basic list in the spoilers for you. I'm not saying it's the best possible list with your models but it should be fun and let you compete with your friend. Use the Castigators to screen out, drop them from the sky, is he lets you get within 12 of the boltboyz or shaman shoot them. If not use them to clear screens for charging units, chip his monsters. Use your ranges to move the dragons into shooting range of the boltboyz, try to engineer a charge into the boltboyz with the chariot, it's super tanky and will kill a couple from the impact hits Use the liberators and prosecutors to block your opponents charges and steal objectives The knight judicator can be used as a bunker buster, drop his mortal wound bomb into your opponent s castle, it doesn't require line of site on the units it hits with gaze of Sigmar Hammers of Sigmar so try to keep units in range of objectives for the ward save, it will go some way to softening mortal wound damage

What's your list? There's not one list or one way to play stormcast so developing tactics around what you're playing is key.

I've got 2 tournaments coming up end of this month and start of next. Running something like this: Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar (Scions of the Storm)- Grand Strategy: No Place for the Weak- Triumphs: BloodthirstyLeadersKnight-Incantor (125)*- General- Command Trait: Master of Magic- Spell: Celestial BladesLord-Relictor (145)*- Artefact: Mirrorshield- Prayer: Divine LightBattleline4 x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (460)*- Reinforced x 14 x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (460)*- Reinforced x 15 x Judicators with Boltstorm Crossbows (190)*Units3 x Aetherwings (65)*3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (240)*3 x The Farstriders (90)**3 x Castigators (105)**6 x Gryph-Hounds (110)**Core Battalions*Battle Regiment**Redemption BrotherhoodAdditional EnhancementsHoly Command: Thunderbolt VolleyTotal: 1990 / 2000Reinforced Units: 2 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 108Drops: 2 I'm enjoying it so far, packs a punch, lots of versatility, plays well into everything so far I also tried a 12 fulminators list last night and I'm thoroughly whelmed, it's not terrible but it's (unsurprisingly) one dimensional

Yeh that's what they do most games, it's not a trick you set up per se, but it's always worth remembering that gryph-hounds have 25 inches of movement on a 7" charge because your opponent will definitely not realise.

YES, YES!! Another gryph-hounds believer! Now you need to pull off the pro move of moving the unit 9" down the battlefield, charge, pile 3 and then retreat onto an objective your opponent previously thought was safe.

It's a cool list but unfortunately the Stardrake can't use Lauchon, it's base is too big

I think a lot of NPE is overstated or at least I don't find issues with it. Every army (or almost every) has their own tricks and abilities that are unique to them and that's what I like. Every army is a different puzzle to solve, you can't just do the same thing every time and expect the same result. Of course that can fall by the wayside a bit when you have unbalanced army strengths but for the most part there is really nothing I find to be NPE. The closest I've gotten to feelings of NPE is verse Gargants when they were the top army for no reason other than they didn't feel as much like a puzzle. I knew how to beat them wether I could not not. For the record I've played a lot of game verse nurgle, lumineth etc. and never not enjoyed it

So if sequitors go down in points do they suddenly become good in this meta?

Correct it does nothing for Vindictors. I think we're going to struggle into this meta a little more, we have more pieces for killing big monsters than hordes and I'm not sure we benefit hugely from the battleline improvement s but it will be interesting to see what we can change, Maybe an ally has pieces we can use?