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As someone with a mixed Khorne/slaves army that is unplayable and a nighthaunt army that just sucks, I’m amazed at how bitter some of you guys can be 🤷‍♂️

As someone who played nighthaunt as his first AoS army and dealt with snapped guardian of soul arms or other random bits breaking, I’d actually prefer they stopped designing models that were that fragile. Padding between sprues for transport doesn’t help the issue of things breaking when you actually play games with them

This is where I’m at too. It’s not like I’m so mad I’m quitting AoS but my Khorne army with heavy S2D elements is no longer a legal army and given that all my stuff has been nerfed I’m just not really excited to go buy more stuff to make my army which is now comparatively worse into a playable list again. I’m probably waiting for a new slaves or Khorne Battletome before really thinking about playing AoS in all likelihood and that’s likely a ways away still

If I try and pile into combat with me melee unit on 32mm bases I literally cannot get all of them into combat while maintaining coherency

Yep, and as someone who really loves the chaos lord on crackerjack, he’s at his best with the gorecleaver and hew the foe. I think if you’re really set on Slaves allegiance you can get some of the benefits of Khorne by allying in a lot of the buff units (bloodsecrator, stoker) but given that most of your slaves stuff can port into Khorne there isn’t a really strong case to stay within the slaves allegiance. And hey, if you’re like me and love chaos warriors, they actually become quite respectable when for 270 points you’re putting out 45 attacks with rerollable hits, let alone if you start throwing on bloodstoker buffs as well. I think even if you’re staying in allegiance you really need to consider what units from your chosen mark god faction you should ally in

In running them in Khorne. A block of warriors with a bloodsecrator behind them actually puts out a lot of damage and also keeps your buff heros safe behind their wall of rerollable saves

I doubt it. Slaves to Darkness are getting a single battalion so there’s no room to throw in some Khorne stuff unless GW is just not promoting it at all. That said I do believe GWs intention is to give stuff to every faction with this round of releases, so Khorne will get something in one of the later books would be my guess

Couldn’t say for sure as I also haven’t played it, but one would think so

My initial impression was that the AoS armies were WAY stronger than the warcry warbands because I was using the warcry bands out of the box, but when I built an untamed beasts band using one of the double boxes and adding in a mercenary I found that the warcry bands become significantly better to the point I’d say they’re comparable to most of the AoS armies. The problem with the out of the box warcry bands are that a significant amount of points are usually put into units that are really inefficient and bad points values and once you can drop those the strength of your warband goes way up. I still believe that shooting stormcast are way overpowered because of their damage projection though, but in general the AoS bands are in line with what you could get building a warcry band from scratch and using a mercenary

If you’re taking varanguard you really want to take sixth circle, otherwise they struggle to be worth the points. other than that I think the spawns are not great. You can justify a single spawn to make a battalion work, but 4 spawns + the cost of the battalion means you’re paying 380 points for plaguetouched warband which just 100% is not worth it.

I don’t know what rule suggests that a unit would lose their battleline role or even what rules interaction would matter whether a unit remained battleline or not.

He’s also great in Khorne with gorecleaver and hew the foe.

@JackStreicher sure do! As you can see I’m not a super technical painter but I’ve come up with a style that kind of works more based on visual impact than skill I suppose, I’m really happy with it at any rate thanks @RedMax! It’s a pretty ugly model but the pose is cool and menacing at least. It also helps a lot to take the included 40K head that looks like a mutated space marine helmet and then shave off the top vent so it looks more natural, it’s definitely a much nicer head model than the other two options IMO

Yeah the clobbering marauder horsemen got is really heavy handed and didn’t seem necessary. knights at 160 are reaaallly interesting though

FAQ with points adjustments are out, we did pretty good chaos lord on crackerjack down 20 to 230 warriors down 10 to 90 knights down 20 to 160 And the nerfs are marauders up to 160 and marauder horsemen inexplicably up to 110 gaunt summoner got hit hard with the nerf bat and only summons 5 horrors now overall I think this makes knights a lot more attractive and my list with karkadrak and knights just opened up a bunch more points.

Anyway, I finished up some stuff that embarrassingly I’d been bringing to the table top half painted for months before the ‘rona.

The BT lifted the literal worst army in the game squarely into the fat middle. and really, this is a pretty good place to be. People at my shop play beasts of chaos, mawtribes, Stormcast, FEC, Sylvaneth, fireslayers, tzeentch, DoK and OBR, I tend to have good games with all of them. My friend who plays tzeentch showed up with flamers and horrors you couldn’t retreat from when the tome was new and changed his army before coming back to the shop A second time because literally nobody had a good time or was interested in playing with him again. I’ve shown up with ravagers, cabalists and despoilers and had fun games trying new stuff out, winning around 50% of the games I’m playing, which is an excellent place to be when you’re playing pick-up games or friendly leagues. We have a LOT of good units to experiment with in the book. Marauders are ridiculously good, marauder horsemen are excellent screens, Khorne demon prince CA is fantastic, Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is a decent blender, Sorceror on Manticore gives us a ton of value on a flying mount that can do damage in combat, gaunt summoners can drop a tarpit of horrors and provide spell casting in a very efficient points cost, Be’lakor ability is one of the most disruptive abilities in the game, Chosen provide good combat damage output, warshrine is an awesome model with powerful but inconsistent buffs, there is a TON of stuff to experiment with in the book and even varanguard and Archaon builds were doing well pre COVID. Chaos warriors are below average to average for a battleline choice. Whatever 🤷‍♂️

Honestly the book has some design decisions that are questionable but I really don’t think things are as dire as it would seem given the never ending negativity of some of the regulars in this thread. If you want to win tournaments this is probably not going to be the book you do it with, but honestly the “armies that you can win a tournament with” list is exceptionally small and if that’s all you’re after you should just buy the tzeentch tome and get over it. The never ending stream of complaints and negativity whenever someone tries to discuss this army is not helpful or even interesting at this point. Yes, you are unhappy with this book, no we are not your support group that is here to listen to you rehash your feelings on this Battletome every time someone says something positive.

Definitely don’t sacrifice your warriors and knights to fuel cabalist spells, if you’re trying to make cabalists work one of the warcry warbands is a really good source of cheap sac fodder. For me I liked iron golems because they also doubled as a fairly durable speed bump you could use for screening, however the snake guys are also a good choice since the snake can regenerate and provide repeatable sacrifice fodder

I think you are vastly undervaluing the importance of the hero phase for some armies. Being able to heal 3 x D3 wounds + resurrect a slain unit two hero phases in a row when playing for instance legion of grief is a hugely different scenario than being beat on by your opponent for two combat phases in a row without access to your healing or summoning.

Love it, personally. I wish there was more quality fiction in the setting to supplement the tabletop experience (compared to 40K it’s pretty sparse) and there’s certainly some rules that maybe need to be revisited such as how easily some newer factions can just shoot your heros off the board, but in general AoS is a great play experience with interesting tactical decisions, great models and solid rules.

Doesn’t appear to be a slaughterhost issue as if I choose “none” it still won’t let me assign an artifact and if I chose another mortal specifically from the Khorne Battletome (for instance a mighty lord of Khorne) it will let me chose correct artifacts without first choosing a slaughterhost. I think at a guess it appears that azyr doesn’t apply the Khorne keyword even though the warscroll says to do so when assigning it the mark of Khorne, so for rules check purposes azyr won’t let you assign an artifact that requires a Khorne keyword. Which isn’t a huge deal, I just wanted to ensure I wasn’t missing something rules wise that made my army invalid

Being able to fly is one reason, but generally the chaos lord on karkadrak is more appealing. The sorceror lord on manticore is something I’ve found performs well though, you want to take at least one sorceror lord in most lists anyway so the extra points to give it the mobility of the manticore and some combat capability is very worthwhile. You’re not going to send it into your opponents most dangerous units, but it can fly over things and hit back line support characters very well and is quite good at clearing cheap screening units. The unique spell is also excellent

Quick question since I believe this should work however Azyr isn’t letting me do it; if I take a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak in my Khorne army it will have both the Khorne and Mortal keyword and should be able to take artifacts from the Khorne Mortal table, yeah? I understand it won’t get the bloodbound keyword, but azyr isn’t letting me take any artifacts at all except for the slaughter host artifacts and I think I should be able to give him the gorecleaver

Just double checked because I thought I might have been mistaken. The demon prince fights at the start of the combat phase which is a separate part of the phase than when other units fight, and so things that happen at the start of the combat phase happen, then regular turn order fighting happens once all the start of combat phase is done. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/21/who-fights-first/ so unless there are other units that also fight at the start of the combat phase, you would get to fight with your demon prince and then chose another model to fight with afterwards