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How hard is this book going to end up crutching on going second in Turn 1, Ambushing most of their list, then keying for the double-turn into turn 2 once the Herdstone goes live? As someone who loathes the double-turn mechanic, I would hate for that to become “the thing”?

The book looks SUPER interesting, but this and what feels like MASSIVE points hikes are my two biggest concerns. I really struggle to understand why they nerfed Rend on so many warscrolls AFTER the Herdstone nerf. One or the other feels like it would have been adequate, but both?

Was a bit shocked watching yesterday's Facehammer stream, Byron adamantly threw Slaanesh into S-tier this season with Russ eventually talking him down to _just_ A-tier. It sounded like the main thrust was "wound spam and summoning" similar to BoC, but I'm honestly not seeing it. Am I missing something?

Any chance the homebrew/wishlist stuff can be spun off into its own thread?

Any reason Pretenders don’t seem to get much love over the others?

I think that's the problem...I'm coming in brand new to Slaanesh off the GHB points decreases specifically targetting models I find amazing aesthetically...I havent experienced the speed of Seekers in order to now miss it. 😁

Yeah, just basically in general. Coming in with completely fresh eyes, the cuts to Blissbarbs/Twinsouls/Painbringers makes things like Seekers (both Blissbarb and Slickblade) look quite expensive for whats on their warscroll. I guess I'm wondering what's generally considered pulling it's weight for it's points, outside of the obvious recipients of the GHB price cuts?

Any obvious “overcosted - avoid”, “appropriately costed” and/or “great value per point” models post GHB update? Hard not to want to lean into the Painbringers/Twinsouls at first glance, but wondering if I’m missing other options?

Thanks for the replies. I know Beasts of Chaos got a pretty nice boost from their Tome Celestial, so I was a little surprised/disappointed to look at Hedonites warscrolls like the Fane and the endless spells and presuppose "these dont really seem like they DO anything...?" Likewise, other books receiving Tome Celestial treatments garnered a decent amount of buzz, while the Hedonites' iteration seems to have come and gone with barely a murmur?

Reading the Goonhamer article on the Tome Celestial for FEC, they say FEC is "doing a lot better than some lackluster armies (Hedonites, Gitz, and most of the armies that only got their Battletome recently)" Didnt Hedonites just get their own Tome Celestial recently? Did it just not land? As someone who recently picked up interest in the faction due to the GHB22 points drops on the fantastic models in the Slaanesh mortal line, it's a little disappointing to think their own update was a wet ******?

Isn’t it possible, perhaps likely, that the warband revealed at Adepticon would be part of this release?

The last few pages, it’s been mentioned quite a few times that the battletomes released for AoS3 have all been good. I’ve heard plenty of complaining from SCE and Orruk players (quality hyper focused on a handful of warscrolls, other warscrolls, allegiances, battalions clearly left undercooked) and more recently Fyreslayers players who rebounded from “this is a tyre fire” at the Fury release to “this is very underwhelming” with the book dropped. That’s why I’m struggling to wrap my brain around the unbridled optimism. I don’t begrudge people their positivity, but it rankles to see those same folks chide the more cynical types using examples that feel at best “somewhat inaccurate”. As for me, I had arranged to split an on-release box with a mate the minute the WarCom article announcing it went live, hoping it meant an end to the unfortunate “mandatory Nagash” era. Until the Goonhammer article went out the other day, when I informed my mate I would regrettably be backing out of our arrangement until the battletome drops and we have a better idea what GW is actually doing with the faction.

“They don’t want a super unit in every list”? The Errata allowing Nagash into NH lists (and Kragnos into Destruction lists) very loudly indicates otherwise. Ditto their design on units like SCE dragons and Fulminators. I don’t begrudge some of you the unbridled positivity and hopium, but it sure does seem like that’s being accompanied by a distorted account of how GW has managed the game thus far this edition.

You specifically said “if anything, they are growing”. They aren’t. They are staying the same. You’ve channeled unbridled hopium the last couple pages, and that’s your prerogative, but words have meaning.

Except that’s not what they said.

Then that’s not an increase generated by this box, as you stated. It’s the way it’s been for almost two years. Similarly, “reinforcements” weren’t a thing in AoS2. It’s not a like for like comparison.

Bladegheists have been units of 10 for the entirety of AoS3.

Since when has GW ever shown any sensitivity or concern regarding avoiding making “a lot of people upset, and for real not joking”? This is the same company that windmill slammed the faction out of existence in the first place, yeah?

I’m certain to be in the minority, but I’m firmly entrenched in the camp that was unhappy with their errata loosening roster restrictions for Kragnos and Nagash. To my mind, that was the original “band aid” tossed out for underperformers…and a wildly expensive one at that. Don’t “balance” my faction by allowing me a $100+ “auto-include or get wrecked” hero.

Has anyone tried any alternate Dragon Ogre models, such as the ones from Duncan Shadow sold on Etsy? I dislike the GW models visually, the front legs on a couple of the models straight out from their bodies with joints locked just looks unnatural to me. Some of the alternate sculpts appear to vary in height so I'm curious how they scale compared to the GW figs?

Not getting Deathless Spirits on a group I very likely launched out pretty far away from my main force would also seem like a reason to lean towards the Hero over the Chainghasts?

New to Nighthaunt, tried Chainghasts for the first time tonight and was excited to have two expanded bubbles of Spirit Torment buff...but it hit me as I was deploying them, the two models still need to follow the coherency rules? So I've got these two buff amplifiers who basically have to sit right next to each other on the table? Am I understanding that right? That's how I played it, and it was a lot less "amazing" than I originally hoped.