Golub87

Marauders and Chaos Warriors

I can't - don't own battlelines. Can't make a legal list. Actually, I am a liar, I have 30 Daemonnettes - 3x10 for 420 for 3 legal battlelines. Like that is going to do me any good.

I do not feel that is a good attitude to have when are people paying a company for a service. It is quite weird to me that there is such a nonchalant dismissal "yeah, they were even worse to X". How is that sane? Hell I play Flames of War to what, close to 15 years now? Battlefront had its issues, but never have they disrespected the players in such a casual manner.

So, here is a constructive idea: Slaanesh points should go back to what they were prior to GHB21 and battleline role should be returned to S2D units in god armies. Also, Slaangors need a rewrite because no amount of point drop is going to make them usable. At the very least they should have the right keywords for BoC tome. Speaking of BoC, they need a new tome. Sylvaneth too. They needed one years ago, but we will settle for a release date now with understanding that it may move a bit but that it is in the works. It would also be super nice if GW dev team could interact with community more, along the lines of providing explanation for why the unit is costed the way it is. I am not the greatest player in the world and it would mean a lot to me if the Man himself explained to me the hidden depths and tactics with the units they made. Mathematically, not with adjectives in the style of community articles. A nice explanation of the game development process, how many teams there are, how many people in each team (no need for personal information), how are they structured and managed, how do they calibrate among each other, how is play-testing done... would go a long way towards recovering the crumbling trust that players have in their ability to produce good rules. Sadly, we cannot go around the topic of certain missteps of late that we are all aware of and that do not need repeating. A nice explanation of how each of those issues happened along with lessons learned and steps taken to avoid those in the future would also go a long way to solidify trust.

All the love man, all the love... You guys should get a medal or ten.

I replied to a condescending post that said that Slaanesh players should know their place. Why not single out that post?

I am not forcing anyone to respond to me or to reply in topics about recent changes complaining about people complaining.

Why is it always the responsibility of people that have an issue to ignore people that are shutting them up and not the responsibility of people who do not have an issue to mind their own business? Why aren't you telling people stiffing conversation about the problems that they should ignore people that have problems and conversations about those problems?

So the uppity Slaanesh players should accept that they need to sit at the back of the bus with Sylvaneth and BoC and Spider Riders and just accept their lot in life?

I have to agree here. Transportation has been a nightmare in the past 18 months and UK is especially hard hit nowadays.

Feeling the same here - if I just played Archaon like a normal chaos player, I would have been fine. I have a feeling that the battlefields of 3.0 will just be the same handful of named individuals headbutting each other. What a way to shrink your world. Edit: I suppose that was true of AoS 2 for the most part.

Not likely, as we have repeatedly seen, people will defend GW with walls of text regardless of what happens.

Well, that would cost money and take effort and they do not really need it. The community seems to be conditioned to self-police against criticism so why put additional effort into engaging with players?

Thank you! I honestly feel that the false positivity and absolute acceptance of whatever nonsense comes from GW is the reason why they do not care about the rules in the slightest.

I understand, if I complain about legitimate issues today, that makes you look silly for all the abuse from GW you have accepted and came to expect over the years, right?

Chaos overall got hit hard

I just do not know what to say. Read the ....... room.

My battlelines were Chaos Warriors (25 models total) and Marauders (40 models total, made from splintered fang and unmade because marauder models are bad). How is that min/maxing?

Slaangors only demonstrate the absurdity of what was done. If you want to look at only playable Slaanesh units, be my guest. KoS 340 to 420, Glutos 400 to 475, Blissbarb Archers 160 to 180, Slickblade Seekers 200 to 230, Blissbarb Seekers 180 to 220, Contorted Epitome 210 to 255... We also lost Battlelines from S2D (which were also nerfed, Marauders for a reason, Warriros for no reason at all).

I literally can't play a legal list with my collection because I lost all my battlelines but I guess saying that means I am not acting like an adult.

Well, as I mentioned I can't play even if I wanted to because my battlelines got deleted. I do not have a legal list in the models I own. Should I spend money to buy legal battlelines so I could participate in that supposed good game with the army that is, in your own words, terrible? Is that the conclusion, that I should give GW more money after this? Help me out here.

And this is quite a terrible state of the game. Got it? Especially given that certain match-ups are even more lopsided. And you have the nerve to argue patience and to lecture people whose armies have been ruined. I literally can't field a legal army with the models I own. I can't have a legal game even if I looked past the travesty of Slaanesh points and wanted it. And yeah GW might not be malicious towards certain factions and players. Gross incompetence is also on the table.

You are right, of course. Slaangor are clearly a hidden powerhouse of the new edition, hence the preemptive points hike. All is well with the world, always was, always will be.

Aside from point cost nerfs, my model collection is literally unplayable in my chosen allegiance. My battlelines are no longer legal.

OK, serious questions: Do you expect that GW will reverse their ruling on using S2D units as battlelines in god armies? Do you expect that they will reverse Slaanesh points back to 2.0? I am genuinely asking because I do not see that happening so I do not see what is the point in waiting for the FAQ