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I struggle a bit with this answer, as the sentinels are clearly and widely known to be oppressive. Mortals on 5+ with a ranged unit that doesn't need LOS is absolutely bonkers and has been widely abused by people running lists with like 80 sentinels. This is pretty common knowledge stuff and is about as NPE as is possible in a game like AOS as it requires nil effort to do with little ability to counter/interact. No-one except LRL plyers were pleased to see the GHB taking a light touch on sentinels. The rest of it is probably ok.

If they don’t get a release with the Kruleboyz and battletome, then you are waiting till AoS 4 essentially. I’m sure that there will be another wave of Lumineth to buy in the meantime though. Woot.

I think you need to want better. If they were worse before at updating stuff then that’s bad, doesn’t mean what is happening now is good just because it isn’t as bad as before. GW FAQs/point adjustments are pretty poor generally and tend to overshoot or not address the issues. Real Change, i.e changes to warscrolls seem to happen once every edition and the majority of the bad design decisions cant be fixed with point adjustments.

Yeah I have similar experiences to this. Someone invests like £500 pounds in an army and painting time and GW wrecks them with bad rules and takes 2 years to fix it.

Gork help us if he is worse!

Who know but 695 points is still at least 100 points too many. It does generally make you wonder about the process and nothing shown so far explains his cost. as loads have said, GW just never explains their design decisions.

Well if playtesters thought Kragnos was worth 760 points, then we are in far more trouble than we thought…

It really doesn’t make any sense but does realeasing a printed product that will likely be invalidated in multiple ways by release FAQs two weeks later indicate the sort of planning we hope for….

GSG have been bad for so long that I’m not sure I have much faith in GW’s chosen playtesters saying they are ok. It’s like all those online reviews given by people who receive free review copies of everything. Zero critical thought, full hype. They like their special status and freebies too much to rock the boat🤣 cynical rant over.

Yeah but Kragnos is such an anemic/vanilla design that it probably wasn’t complicated to reduce his points as he has zero interactivity with your army outside being a general. He still won’t be played at 700.

I guess the concern is that the already existing divide have been made worse by the new infrastructure and there are pretty long waits between points adjustments let alone FAQs or even worse, a battletome in 1.5 years. so yeah its not a balance update but it affects balance, potentially has made it worse and it will only be fixed at a glacial GW pace.

I find the drip feed of rules/points and changes (just like the 40k) new edition just tends to ****** people off as you literally can't be sure that there isn't another change just around the corner that might invalidate your purchases etc.... never buy anything until after the release FAQs and even they are not remotely safe if you are getting a new battletome soon. The 40k ones changed massively from FAQs to Battletomes. All the twisty money-making decisions by GW slowly wear one down. They constantly use lack of transparency to push sales.

That's the GSG special, heroes last 3 seconds....

yeah that makes sense, but it gives GW the excuse to release very small model line... which for orruks is exactly what they have done repeatedly. It's supposed to be a destruction edition but a limited Kruleboyz release and then yet another wave of Lumineth (as per rumours) will be mildly disappointing to say the least.

Yeah I saw that.. Maybe Kragnos will go down to 600... or maybe not. I was just thinking, following the less hardcore sales of Dominion, do you think a lot of people have been a bit put-off of Kruleboyz because it is a subfaction rather than a seperate battletome? I know that a few of my friends considering it have passed on the Dominion box until the full release line-up is known. I think a bunch of people like the models and want to run them on their own but that may not be practically possible if they are just supposed to fill a gap in Big waaagh. Yes I know GW has said lots of stuff about running them on their own but they intentionally hide dates and release etc so you can't plan purchases

They may be pretty hellbent on making him purely narrative (intentional or otherwise)

any new rumours or gossip for kruleboyz?

The issue is that temporarily weak is years in gw time

If only jaws of Mork didn’t tax you with Envoy of the overbounder and the screamersquig.

he probably wouldn't be able to fly over anything anyway as his base is too large to easily clear 3 inches behind a line. It's not just mortal wounds, it's anything with a bit of rend as well. No ward save is just bad on huge point investments. This guy will likely never get to choose what he engages and if an enemy holds up Kragnos with cheap chaff all day , that is a win for them not you. He needs to get priority targets to be useful, not kill 300 points of zombies...

The issues are all the same as before.... 1) He gets taken down quickly by mortal wounds and they are literally everywhere. 700 point model with no FNP/ward is just a very expensive target. 2) His mobility is presently (not withstanding potential battletome buffs) is very poor. Slow for his size, big base, smaller tables easily chaffed/blocked. if something answers those questions then he has potential.

That probably fits the timelines for the initial 40k releases

Does destruction need yet another low power army...nothing is unplayable but there is/was literally one strong list for ironjaws and the rest not so much.

Yeap makes sense. Thanks both!

I have unfortunately bought one but it is still unopened pending some miracle that makes him OK...