Albioin

Could use some help with a 2k list. I know I want to combine some of the best bits of each army, specifically: Savage orruk blob Arrowboys blob BS wizards to buff the above MK / Gord Gruntas unit of 6 Warchanter to buff the above While you can just about fit them in 2k, it's a stretch and you lose out on the (in my opinion) mandatory Ironfist battalion. So... Is a 30 blob of savages needed, or would 20 do? With 20 I could get a Kunnin Rukk up easily, but it seems small for a 2k anvil unit (especially as I might only have one). How valid is a Wurrgog with so many models on my side? I feel like a general Wardokk might be more useful with its defensive buffs if I'm trying to save points, and the Maniak casts more reliably. Is a MK worth it if I'm using 6 Gruntas? This is what I'm expecting is a no, if not for how good Gord is in a BW army and how cool the centrepiece is. I'm going to try a few variations but interested in your opinions. Ultimately I think it'll be a "choose 2 of 3: MK / Gruntas / Arrows".

Nah they don't, mainly due to their use being the opposite (screening units with big spore clouds). Mechanically and lore-wise it wouldn't make sense. Fanatics hiding in units is a super fun mechanic though.

I think iron fist only always mighty destroyers to be used on units in the battalion, so won't work on the MK.

You're relying on the opponent slamming into your face, and objectives staying central. Due to the size of your arrow units, you'll struggle to screen them both for more than one round of combat, especially if you've been flanked by infantry. BS spells aren't amazing direct damage dealers (bar the Wurrgog horde clearer), and are mainly buffs. So if your opponent keeps distance and plinks off wounds from your front line your only choice will be to break ranks. Remember the double shooting of the Rukk is in your hero phase, so is quite easy to outrange for the opponent (even before you consider not all of your models will be in range). There's strength to the list in presence, wounds, and attacks, but you could find yourself quickly overrun. As an example, a buffed Gore Grunta unit that hits one of your Savage blobs could likely take most of it out if all your buffs don't go off (7-8 D2 attacks a model, followed by battleshock). If they fall, your arrows will be close behind (or they wouldn't be able to shoot due to range, as you have so many ranks) and could quickly be piled in to. This can happen with many infantry or deep striking combos.

Minimum size Ironfist fits in 2.5k matched play allies points limit (90 + 90 + 140 + battalion) < 500. Being able to mix and match the units within is the main reason why.

Yeah looks good, there's probably less point having big Orruk units if you can't Warchanter buff them, so I like it! Remember to keep your larger mournfang packs in the battalion and the smaller one separate, and good luck! Taking this to any tournaments soon then?

My bad, this is not the first time I've forgot after looking at the Beast Hammer. Spending the last 2 weeks with my nose in the Warclans tome hasn't helped either. I'm unsure where to go with your list then, bar that you need extra points for that last battle line. One of your bigger units probably needs to drop down to let you (you could split a mournfang pack and make no other changes, and have the 2 units of 2 as far flanking options).

You're back under minimum battle line here. You need 40 points spare at least to become legal. Only thing I'd say here is how you split competitive / fluffy. A better list would probably involve cutting the size of one of your mournfang packs to make sure you have a 6 unit of Gruntas and a Warchanter (even if it lost the endless spell). At that point though, you may as well be playing Ironjawz to get your battalion bonus as a CP / unit rather than a once per game / army. If you want to keep it Ogre focused, you'll have to cut the Gruntas to 3 max. Either use those points to add a minimum size unit of sabres and a Warchanter to buff your remaining 2 units of 3 Gruntas, or add in a new unit of 2 mournfang. The former of these is probably the best balance that you're looking for, and you can use your sabres to hold backfield objectives. A Warchanter also essentially doubles the effectiveness of one of your Grunta units too, as well as being able to capture objectives in hero-focused games.

That's been replaced by the new Orruk Warclans book. I'd advise using the Warhammer Community Warscroll builder, as it's updated regularly, is free and official. But yeah, Grunta are 160 now.

Lacks speed, which may hamper you're ability to adjust to objectives. You have some big backline blobs mind. I'd considering dropping the kunnin' Rukk (big bosses aren't fantastic anyway so 2 are a bit eh imho) and upgrading one unit of arrow boyz to 30 and drop the other, then use your free points on boarboy maniaks. Maniaks are a great place to put your buffs on if the orruk blobs somehow go down, and can move miles with Breath. You've got the hammer (and I guess anvil) sorted in one, just need to have a way of getting around the board. If you use your kunnin' ability to move your Arrowboys you lose the big advantage of having them in that battalion.

Just to start, I thought Gruntas were 160 now? Assuming they're 140: I like it. As good as Cave Shamen are, I'm not sure about 2 when instead you could drop the extra command point and double the size of a Gore Grunta unit (especially with all their recent buffs). The only other thing to consider would be if you could get a Warchanter in there as it'd double how strong the Orruks would hit, but I'm not sure where you'd find the space (and you'd only want one with a 6 strong Grunta unit).