Maturin

Vexillor with meteoric pennant ?

Aetherwings are a MVP unit that's a given, especially when used in conjonction with Vanguard raptors. But why do you want to use Griffons? They're too expensive, don't have anything worth talking about. Why 4*5 Judicators? It doesn't feel judicious for buffing if needed.

Gotrek is what the Celestant Prime should be.

Congrats on the results and thanks for the Battle Report.

Or you can do a total opposite and focus on shooting : https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/26289-maturins-emporium-of-wonky-lists/?do=findComment&comment=444335

Which one are you thinking about ? Khinerais?

Loks like you don't need advices! Your painting is great

Apologies accepted. That's the problem with internet communication. Happens to me too. Agreed. That's what I usually do IRL. I've got a very strong opinion about some stuff. when I disagree I say my piece then if people don't bring that subject again, I don't either. I have no problem with that, when it's formulated when you just did. But sometimes it's worth debating. See, we've now established your vision of the rule is correct, grammar wise. But we've also found by looking at some other warscrolls that some units have the "Roll a dice for each unit" sentence. Isn't it interesting!? Have a good day mate.

Good exemple also.

This one is interesting because it actually does say : "In your shooting phase, you can pick a point on the battlefield within 12" of this model that is visible to them. Roll a dice for each enemy unit within 2" of that point. On a 4+ that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds." What about non stormcast units ? Are there no splash damage attacks in Aos ? I know nurgle can do that with the 6th spell but it also says just each. Grammatically speaking Schwabelle is right. But here is a clear exemple of a warcrolls stating that a dice must be rolled for each unit.

Grand Alliance: Order

How about that list (2 drops) and you've got 100 points left : Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals - Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar Leaders Knight-Vexillor (110) - Pennant of the Stormbringer - Treasured Standard (Artefact): Lichebone Standard Knight-Azyros (100) - General - Command Trait: We Cannot Fail Lord-Celestant on Dracoth (200) - Tempestos Hammer & Thundershield - Artefact: God-forged Blade - Mount Trait: Keen-clawed Battleline 5 x Liberators (90) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (90) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (90) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Judicators (140) - Skybolt Bows - 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows 5 x Judicators (140) - Skybolt Bows - 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows Units 10 x Protectors (340) - 4x Starsoul Maces 10 x Decimators (340) - 4x Starsoul Maces 3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90) - 1x Stormsurge Tridents Battalions Warrior Brotherhood (170) Total: 1900 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 133

Is there a unit in AOS who does damage or MW in a radius, but the same for all units ? It would be interesting to compare wording for the sake of it.

No you were right to use grammar and not in game reasoning. As I stated in the post before this one, each does carry a certain meaning just as you said. I'm still struggling with the fact that I was probably wrong, but grammar wise your logic is correct.

I have to say, I finally agree with the detractors of "all the units suffer the same MW output". "Each" does carry the notion that you have to consider individually the unit inside the linguistic container that englobes them. Every wouldn't carry that notion adn thus it could be argued for both cases. I stand corrected.

@schwabbele You're out because I'm french ? Wow.

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How do you guys keep your prime alive ? I try to put him whenever I can, into terrain to get+1 save. Mystic shield on him would be good too if you can give him +1 save, especially now that the drake can take the perfect plate of protection.

I understand the point you make, but your next sentence is once again, very strangely worded. I don't have to admit to anything, I'm not a criminal and I'm not guilty of anything. You're not the supreme authority on SCE rules neither am I. I don't require anything from you, you have your opinion on the rule, I have mine. Freedom of thoughts and speech. In the end it doesn't really matters. When we play somewhere, we have to accept how the To will interpret the rules anyway. I do wish those rules were written in a clearer way, that would save us some time "fighting" about how to interpret them. Have a good day.

THE LIST WHERES THE LIST

There was the same heated kind of debate about Longstrike's 24" or 30" before the movement phase, with you and some other guys. You were a staunch supporter of the 24" rule before any movement applied. You were right as when it got FAQed, it's your vision of the rules that was applied. Now the thing is, you as an individual always choose to take the side of what's worst for you. That's your right. Now, when I play, I go for what seems to be the most logical. Not whats best for me or whats worst. Sometimes, logic dictates that my opponent gets a really strong feature. Sometimes it's my army. When you play a 340 points, 3+ save with no invulnerable save 8 wound heroes that can miss a lot with no built in RR fails hits or wounds but has access to ONE result of his choice for ANY(almost) Roll of his choice, it just seems logic, since not contradicted by the rules, that his Scepter attack does the same amount of MW in a radius, and in this case, yes, you can choose it. It seems highly illogical to have a hero as expensive, if he doesn't get at least a trick.

Well that's good gesture on your behalf. That's how we've played the prime, you can read dozens of pages in the Starcast thread with @Turragor and @Marcvs.

Alright lads, atten'hut! Yeah, GW wording's are inconsistent as they can be that's why we need to check out other scrolls to understand sutff. Pain in the buttocks.

Is it written "roll for each unit" on the warscroll ? If yes, then proceed as the TO says. If it's written "does D3MW in a D6" then you do as I said. A good comparison is the Stardrake warscroll. It does say you have to roll for each unit. The Prime's one doesn't.