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finally got my hands on some Dawnbringer books and was shocked at how little new artwork there was. Plenty of awesome dioramas by the studio team, a lot of which had older (WHF) models in them. Soulbound has also been delaying some releases if I remember @Baron Klatz saying so. Champions of Chaos and the Ancient Empires supplement come to mind. These plus the way 4e is being marketed as #NEWAOS #AOSREFORGED is making me think/hope that AOS is going to get a deluge of new art that it deserves.

yeah... I'm starting to wonder if this lull is because of 4e being a "reforged edition" of AOS? like redoing more aesthetics/factions than we think, so there's been less art or books of things that will get a new look soon.

my apologies, after I hit post it became clear i was about 10 pages too late!

I would only call it "boring" if you're expecting a battle ****** type of novel? It's an extremely interesting and insightful character novel--for BOTH Yndrasta and the human tribe it follows. I actually appreciate that it's a slower BL novel. Very true to form for a novel about hunting 😂 i would LOVE to see creepy crawly Spider Gitz come back with an AOS vengeance. here's hoping.

to keep this relevant: I really hope if the 40k show does decent, it will cement AOS as a heroic, nobledark high fantasy. GW can't be ignoring the sheer amount of money that DND makes as essentially the same type of setting.

Space marines used to be the cops in Necromunda/hive cities IIRC. They are now the figurehead of both the in-universe Imperium and IRL 40k.

I've seen a little bit of that. i'll repost my edit: you're allowed to be disappointed, sad, angry, whatever at decisions made in a narrative you care about. but GW has constantly done this throughout their history, just like Tolkien did with LOTR and basically everyone else does with their own IPs. in the grand scheme of lore changes, this is truly nothing but GW filling in an omission in a faction they're trying to develop further. it should not be blowing up the fandom...

the assumption of this "quota" thing drives me up a wall... even if it does exist it is a purely vapid, profit-driven decision and based on nothing else. and why would be a slap to intelligence..? why would anyone assume ANY IP's lore is immutable? this isn't a history book, it is fiction. you're not getting "gaslit" and we should already know by now that trusting corporations is a fool's game. this is one of the most nothingburger lore additions they've done. The Primaris debacle was 10x worse than this. edit: you're allowed to be disappointed, sad, angry, whatever at decisions made in a narrative you care about. but GW has constantly done this throughout their history, just like Tolkien did with LOTR and basically everyone else does with their own IPs. in the grand scheme of lore changes, this is truly nothing but GW filling in an omission in a faction they're trying to develop further.

the new Guarded Hero rule at least looks like help in preventing too much hero sniping?

this hobby is first and foremost a creative endeavor for me: building physical things and then painting them. I like working with my hands. Modeling is how I do art. After that, I do enjoy the narrative and 'exploring' the world created for us to mess around in. Playing is third because I can play whatever ruleset I want with the models I have. while I really enjoy the Mortal Realms as a setting, I don't let GW business decisions affect how i feel about my own artworks (minis), barring the occasional splurge that I maybe shouldn't have spent money on. Check out some non-Warhammer minis if you want to do the art without "Warhammer" as an IP

and once again, what happens when they stop getting matched play rules? They get Legends support until 5e edit: thank you @elescapo for remembering what happened from 2e -> 3e for Legends so we even have proof there's no reason to assume existing Legends WON'T be rewritten once for 4e.

what i'm saying is that we don't know that for sure, because we don't. Grombrindal is so close to 4e it doesn't make sense to me to assume he'll be dropped like a rock when it launches. sure maybe really old stuff like warmammoth and skycutters won't go into 4e Legends, but if they're doing this for a LARGE chunk of squatted models, why wouldn't they include more of existing Legends during their rewrites..? do we really think that Bonesplitters, Beasts, and Sacrosanct will be the only models in 4e Legends?

FTA https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/ Two factions, Beasts of Chaos and Bonesplitterz, as well as a number of older Stormcast Eternals from the Sacrosanct and Warrior chambers, will be receiving free-to-download digital battletomes. These will feature new background and rules, and will be considered legal for use in competitive play until summer 2025. At this point they will move over to Warhammer Legends, and will no longer be supported for competitive play. We encourage you to continue using your collection for casual play, and we will continue to support this content with rules and balance updates as needed throughout the edition. if everything is getting rewritten and GW has plans for updating Legends in 2025, I don't really see a reason to think everything in Legends 3e will disappear for good.

I don't understand, GW has said they will be updating Legends rules for 4e? They are even keeping all of the squatted Legends rules up to date until 5e. Grombrindal is going straight to legends, of course he'll get a 4e scroll...

if it isn't to make the save easily readable at a glance, my theory is the green allows rerolling 1s to save? idk, it's very annoying that nothing has been said about this. all the warscrolls we've seen have been for heroes or more elite units that COULD have some kind of extra save rule

they aren't gone though? The 11 Cities are now allowed to match up subfaction rules/traits and formations however you want to. Love Greywater for the blackpowder focus but want to set your army in Excelsis? Well, now you have the ability to make your Excelsis force the gunnery school or rifle garrison or however you want to tie it together. I'm just a bit confused at this pushback in all honesty. It makes more sense logistically and lorewise--why WOULDN'T every COS have a detachment of gunnery forces or cavalry or magic?

Exceptional circumstances... like Skaven pulling a chunk of their literal sub-realm into a main realm :P?

are you telling me that the map I've had framed on my wall for years has ALWAYS had Hel Crown on it?? 😭😭 alright GW, you've made me The April Fool.

IMHO they did, the promo art guy does not look different enough to be a new unit. the 2h are probably in a multipart kit like Annihilators. MAYBE he's a hero but what would you even call it? Knight Reclusian? *somewhere across the ocean, a sleeping monkey's paw curls subconsciously*

okay well i am talking about the full-on colored map @Clan's Cynic posted. is it fan-made? is it from instagram? loremasters? I don't recognize this from the April Fool's Day joke either.

i watched that and it does not show an actual colored map though? only snippets in the background TV

Whenever GW says this about a faction, I always take it as the models changing and not necessarily the core identity? Straight up adding lore is also technically changing a faction; doesn't need to mean rewrites or retcons either. But the changes in model development, from metal to plastic alone, are huge changes.

How about we start at 60 USD and make GW haggle their way up 😭 I finally got my hands on some Dawnbringer books, and though I love how much narrative and worldbuilding text there is... I was disappointed at the lack of (new) art in the books.

where'd you find the map with Hell Crown on it? I was confused as to why we didn't get this in the actual Skaven article

Yes. All of these units are tournament legal until 2025, which is why it shouldn't be a surprise GW is using the cultist warbands and Sacrosanct in pictures still tbh. All of these models will still have tabletop-life until 5e. No reason to wipe them from promo/action shots. those are absolutely the old Empire troops WOW. That feels like we can expect to see squatted stuff in future art.