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Mega gargant rumours: - little less hp - more cost so only 3 big on 2k - count on obj degrede with wounds Unclear if one of 3 or all 3

Chap in the stormkeep discord. Same source previously advised menagerie change, translocation nerf and sdg points increase. Wasn’t specific on details, but has given a lot for winter faq.

Yup that’s the rumour

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Fortunately GW has managed to make most of the SCE units terrible by removing rules, giving them awful rules, or pricing them so high they will never see play (Lord exorcist lol), so you don’t need to bother thinking about them at all.

SCE don’t get buffs we get nerfs. Ignore the 20-30 useless warscrolls, forget about the trash command traits, the garbage battle tactics, the trash grand strategies, how most of the holy orders aren’t worth the CP, and how 7 of 9 artefacts are irrelevant. Longstrikes, dragons and Fulminators make people sad so they get hit without anyone stopping to ask why nobody takes anything else in the book.

Yeah sentinels +20, horrors +40, pigs +30 Krusha +70, foxes lose move in enemy phase, nagash lose CA and allegiance abilities, archaon changes

Winter rumours: longstrikes +20 points fulminators +30 points no points reductions sce can’t have nice things, news at 10

Winter rumours: longstrikes +20 Sentinels +20 Fulminators +30 (!)

That’s still 2 units of 90 models for 210 points each, supported by a swarm of 70 points for 30 models. The real fix is to delete the flipping warscroll

From sources: Cabbage aka Maw Crasha +170 !!!! Pigs aka Gore Gruntas +30

Search for them on youtube, but really don’t waste your time. They have clearly not done their research, they evidently have no practical experience, and they talk up things that are irrelevant or trivial. One might come away with the impression that this was an emergency video put out to drive sales for a webstore they own following the SDG nerf.

Well I for one certainly enjoyed the Facehammr video where they openly acknowledged never playtesting a game with Stormcast and yet still encouraged/supported/partially responsible for the SDG nerfs. It must be nice to play a tabletop war game where only models which haven’t been released yet are oppressive and need nerfs, and there’s nothing problematic with anything that you can actually go and buy right now

Fulminators and raptors are too weak at their current point cost. Raptors should be 150 like sentinels. Fulminators 50 points per model like pigs (100 for the unit of 2)

That’d be the GW classic: 1) nerf supporting rules 2) raise the points 3) rewrite the rules warscroll Never return to 1 or 2 of course.

Stormdrake Guard needed a nerf as much as Sentinels, Wind foxes, Megagargants, Morathi bow snakes, Archaon (again), Horrors need a nerf. The difference is that one of these isn’t even out and on the tables yet, and the others have been playing games and oppressive for months. One of these got nerfed at the first opportunity, and then nerfed again with immediate effect. The others lived through multiple book faqs, GHBs, GHB faqs, GHB faq-faqs, and GHB faq-faq-faqs, and get to enjoy being oppressive for a few more weeks (assuming they even get hit at all). Of these archaon got a tickle of a nerf and horrors are just as horrible as before. Sentinels in particular have been through Lumineth 1 FAQ, Winter 2020 FAQ, Lumineth 2, Lumineth 2 FAQ, GHB21, GHB21 FAQ, FAQ-FAQ, FAQ-FAQ-FAQ, without so much as a flipping scratch, and with just as much community outrage. Meanwhile gargants actually got better thanks to the WD update. So yes, SCE have been treated differently. Arguably, announcing points ahead of time is for customer benefit, but it also demonstrates that GW could take action at any time to address oppressive stuff and choose not to (unless it’s SCE). Also exhibit A remains the constant inclusion of battleplans like tooth and nail.

Don’t buy dragons this weekend guys (unless you like the models). This from discord, same source correctly leaked a menagerie change and translocation nerf: From sources: Winter faq will bring: point increase for: - fulminators, dragons and longstrikes - New scroll for dragons

This pretty much sums it up. It wasn’t more testing but enough people moaning.

That doesn’t address anything I said. All they have said about that balance update is that it will help underperforming units, not reign in the stuff at the top.

So a nerf was needed, but: 1) 340 is too high, and 300 for the knight is crazy high. Think of what you can get for 300 in other books. 2) They already nerfed dragons once through celestial menagerie. So now we have the classic GW double nerf. Will they go back and fix menagerie? Or the other garbage command traits? Like hell they will 3) What about the 20+ garbage warscrolls that aren’t worth the paper they are written one? Will they get needed rewrites/points changes? Maybe in another 12 months. GW typically nerf the main offenders in any one cycle and consider the matter closed (because that’s all that people moan about on social media) 4) what about literally everything else. Sentinels, Seraphon, mega gargants, Morathi and the bow snakes, Tzeentch-Archaon, horrors have been oppressive for months. Everyone could see this as quickly as they could see SDG are strong. Where are the emergency patches to address them? They’ve all been through multiple faq cycles and literally one of them (archaon) got a tickle of a nerf. Finally, I don’t really care for being taken for a fool by whoever writes WarCom copy. Either they lied about needing data to do the winter update, or they lied about “play testing” SDG and finding them too good (spoiler: it’s actually both and this was driven by anti-SCE hate by influential people on twotter)

Stormcast aren’t allowed good things

So where exactly did GW get the data from for this SCE points update for these unreleased models?

Yeah so I’d prefer that GW invest resources in timely and quality updates for both games

My immediate concern is that GW moved post book FAQs out to 4 weeks from 2 because they couldn’t meet that 2 week deadline. If they are now committing to quarterly updates for 40k - doubling the work - where does that leave AoS?