Neffelo
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Where can we get the Tzeentch lists that took 2-4?
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It's still very hit or miss. It would be nice if it trickled down a bit more. I live in a pretty large region, and realm spells are pretty much a no-go for the moment. Due to that, it's still a point that needs to be considered.
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Nah, someone earlier in the forum tracked down that you ignore the bottom text for battalions, so you're good.
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Again though, to even get the fate points required you already have a very heavy spellcasting army. you are already going to have at least nine casts and unbinds, usually more since you can fail or have them unbinded to even generate the fate points needed to summon them consistently. When you are adding 2-4 more spellcasts/unbindings (Even if they are higher quality) in a list that is already likely generating 11-12 consistently you are just reaching a point where the LoC are not adding near as much value to the army. It also seems much more difficult to bring a battalion, which is a bit of a downside. We have so many powerful artifacts locked behind one. As for realm spells, a lot of tournaments and places still don't allow them, for whatever reason. This unfortunately something that varies significantly from area to area, so you can't count on that until it becomes standard.
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Yes, they all get two spells, but since they only get one lore spell and infernal gateway, means that start hit the diminishing returns on arcane bolt and mystic shield unless you are packing a lot endless spells. The dispelling multiple endless spells is the same situation. Besides Tzeentch very few armies run that many endless spells. I'll often see 1-2 max, and that's if you didn't dispell it in the first place. Even the two dispels is the same thing. Most armies aren't casting 6 spells a turn. Additionally, you are adding all this spell-casting power, to the army that has already been geared to casting a lot of spells to generate the fate points for summoning. It starts to be less and less optimal because of this. Again, the reality is that the first LoC is incredibly powerful, and force multiplier, but you get diminishing returns when you have multiple, and as of right now I don't see that the benefit is worth it over the power that some of the other covens offer.
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I think the main problem is that you get diminishing returns with LoC, unlike most of the other greater daemons out there. I think that's the only reason why this coven exists, is because GW understood that multiple LoC really arn't that scary and fate points are relatively hard to come by. So yeah, while you are technicallly getting 760 points worth of units, I don't really think they are worth the points after the first one.
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The heavy hand of GW balancing returns...
Neffelo replied to Forrix's topic in Age of Sigmar Discussions
Sometimes I do think GW overreacts a bit. I think the worst case was nerfing the cast range addition for all endless spells because of Morathi.... -
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking as well. I only have 1 LoC and I have him with the sword right now. I haven't decided if I am going to get a second LoC and/or Kairos yet.
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did you use the sword, beak or Rod?
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Magister on Disc isn't garbage, but there are a lot of high quality spellcasters in the book that compete with him. Regular magister is only 100 pts for a decent spellcaster on foot. The spawndom on the casts is also really dumb. If you are interested in collecting Tzeentch, two start collecting is really really good for the base of the army.
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Yeah, Screamers just getting a minor points drop was baffling, they really needed something. What is everyone's view on the LoC Loadout now? I was really hoping we'd be able to use our beaks and claws with our rod or sword now, but that's not the case.
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Yeah, this is quite interesting. If this is how it works that would be fantastic.
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3 Enlightend on Disc leaves you with 50 pts for a command point or endless spell. I don't know your collection, so It's kind of hard to know for sure.
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Ebay is going to be your best bet. GW still hasn't released the heroes that came with the boxes released last March, so if you want him you need to hunt him down on ebay or you'll be waiting at least a year.
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Unfortunately, with these box sets they do not. They are always a limited print run.
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So, what's our plan against OBR? Seems like an army we may have trouble with (Coming from an OBR player) Mortek Crawlers are espeically worrying as they can pretty easily remove 10 pinks each in the shooting phase. We have a ton of easy targets for them to snipe out, heroes, flamers, etc. Removing blocks of 20 mortek guard also seems pretty tough. We can deal alot of mortal wounds, but we really need to remove the whole unit or they will get back to full strength in very short order. I think we have to tie up the crawlers or take them out early on. They are just going to wreck our army, and our units are just too expensive for Mortek Crawlers to remove 200 points of our army each, every turn.
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It's also more expensive than the boxes that came before, besides feast of bones. You can still find Feast of Bones boxes. So, its' a combination of two armies that already have a great start collecting and the more expensive price point. Compared to say Looncurse which was packed with value.
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Lord of Change is 380, so you are 20 pts over.
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You have to remove all the pinks before you can start removing Blues and Brimstones.
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So, What does everyone think about Flamers? Seems like they are pretty good now in the eternal conflaguration.
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Useless is a pretty strong word here. They are still quite powerful, and can benefit from the new Agenda. We just don't get Fold reality and the Locus, which are pretty big, but not hte end of the world.
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240 points now, but you get 10 pinks which is 200 pts.. You are really only paying 40 pts for him.
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Is it worth taking over the Gaunt Summoner though, with the 10 free pinks though? Taking both is so expensive so I think we have to choose one.
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Well, @Sinfullyvannila Turned out I was right on the money about changes to the Tzaangors Eh? I wish I hadn't been, because they got nerfed pretty hard.
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Also means they don't benefit from the Locus, AND they went up in points. None of the new Hosts really have any benefit for them either. They got super nerfed.
