rogue_michael

The queue was in effect around 10am local time in the UK this morning. Think it's either a trial run of the system ahead of Dominion, or it's cos of the limited editions of the 40K books. I reckon they're gating the overall traffic on the site much, much lower than normal, so it's not necessarily that there's more people on the site than on a normal Saturday, just more than they want to let on right now for one of the above reasons.

The Wardens of the Stormkeep extra CP is only on your first turn, I'm afraid.

It has an unbind and a dispel (no spell casts, but who cares for this), specifically with a +2 to both

That's an unbind. The dispel bonus is for bringing the comet back.

I'm afraid not. Page 17 of the core rules:

They work quite differently. Gryph-hounds have the special ability to retreat during the combat phase, after they've attacked. Ideally, this could be before the thing they're in combat with activates, so they don't get hurt at all. Aetherwings, on the other hand, can only retreat the same as any regular unit: in the movement phase, if they're within 3" of an enemy unit. However, what their ability lets them do is then charge later that turn, where most units can't charge (or shoot) in a turn where they retreated. So gryph-hounds: special get-out-of-combat. Aetherwings: special get-back-into-combat. It's worth noting that Watchful Guardians can also be used to get Aetherwings into combat without charging, where there's Raptors nearby and the distance rolled is enough.

From the core rules: So they're definitely part of the army. I think them not getting artefacts etc is from them not being able to "use or benefit from" the allegiance abilities. But I would say that for being taken into account during Scions they're not using or benefiting. They just exist. I think for them not to be counted it would need to be something more like "are ignored for the purposes of allegiance abilities". Further, I think the Scions rule specifying STORMCAST ETERNALS for the units that can use it but not for the units on the board is pretty telling.

Cometcats currently 0 and 7... 😅

@Turragor Is it possible you're thinking of this, from the Malign Sorcery Designer's Commentary? Which is to do with, say, artefacts that grant an unbind to a non-wizard, but not a spell cast. If so, Evokitties are fine as their warscroll specifies they get a spell cast (and an unbind) when they're a wizard. What spells they can then cast with it means they can't cast endless spells, but I can't see any reason they not be able to dispel instead of casting.

I don't remember ever seeing that, to be honest. I thought it just took the opportunity to cast a spell, which you then use for a dispel instead. It wasn't what I was getting the ruling on specifically, but I got a ruling from the TO of the tournament I went to involving the extra spell cast evokitties get when they slow down time with the cogs, and part of that was that they still got their dispel (my question was with regard to them taking Blades stopping them casting any other spells) (Obviously that's not a GW ruling, but an experienced opinion)

Adding another 50% capacity was an amazing effort, don't think anyone can ask for more than that! Fingers firmly crossed for a couple of people realising they've got a holiday booked that it clashes with... 😁

Excellent, thanks. This gives me a lot of good stuff to think on. I'd also made what I think was the mistake of putting Staunch on my LAoCD, which made me even more want to try to keep her in position for that, which really broke things. Won't be doing that again, regardless of what build I run. I'll see if I can make room for the 6 in the drake list, then. If I can't, do you think I go for something else entirely (I don't really have any other options built tbh and I'm not really in a position to add anything beyond the drake and the Castellant) or is the 3 playable in a pinch? I would probably be keeping Staunch for the drake castle (whereas I'd consider CV for my drakeless list).

Cool, ta. I went into my tournament planning to do that (also had a Heraldor), but ended up convincing myself to put them in the sky the first few games, which at least some of the time was a mistake. Then tried a board deploy and absolutely messed up the deployment, got them killed. Then was up against an old-rules KO clown car on Starstrike, so the sky really did seem like the best option there. I'll mull over going back up to 6, then, and committing to trying to do board deploys wherever possible. One thing with the run and charge was that I was conscious about leaving the LAoCD behind. Is that just par for the course, and if she catches up she catches up, but not something to prioritise?

Ah ok, I was definitely committing to trying to get buffs up over getting everything in, which probably messed things up a bit. Maybe if I switch that focus around I'll be better off. Do you tend to run them in the sky or on the board?

Yep I found 6 so very unwieldy. I struggle to imagine a situation where I could bring more than 3, maybe 4, to bear on the charge with Pride Leader up. I've had all of them in combat, but that was after being counter-charged 😅 I actually think I might be able to get more done with 3 than 6, or at least closer to the same amount than half the amount!

I ran a LAoCD and dracolines list at a tournament last month and really struggled to get things going. This is mostly on me as a player, I know, so I'm not ditching it like the list definitely doesn't work, but I'm happy trying something new. This is the list I ran: And I have a Stardrake on my painting desk. So I figured while I might not be going proper Starcast, I might as well join the conversation here Not had any particular thoughts on spells or mount trait yet. I think in an ideal world the dracolines would be dracothian guard, but dracolines is what I have. This is what I'm looking at at the moment:

Someone posted it in our discord earlier so I had it right to hand

Huh, does that work? I always thought the order didn't matter in cases like this: if A says you can't do B, but you've already done B, I thought that meant you in turn couldn't use A.

I've seen mention a couple of times of using Cogs with Evocators (in my case on Dracolines) to grant them an improved save and to let them cast Celestial Blades and Empower in the same turn. But last night I was looking at the errata that allowed them to cast a spell from the Lore of Invigoration and I'm now concerned it doesn't work after all. Slow Down Time The Lore of Invigoration errata I feel like the intention of that last sentence of the errata was probably to make clear that you don't get to cast the lore spell in addition to Empower normally, but as written it seems like it would get in the way of the cogs rule and leave you with nothing to cast with that second spell cast (although you could still use that second one for a dispel, I reckon). My gaming group is kinda split on it, though.

I'm afraid it got an errata specifically to preclude doing that, yes https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/age_of_sigmar_stormcast_eternals_errata_en.pdf

You are right. The heal thing is instantaneous, so it goes remove wound, remove last wound but negate, remove last wound again. I think it's gone through like that somewhere, probably the designers' commentary

The requirements are in the rule for picking an eligible fighter but again in the rule for when something can pile in. Makessense to me that being told to do it doesn't override that then not being possible, feels the same to me as being told I can charge a unit but presumably if I picked one that had run that wouldn't work (abilities to charge after running obviously notwithstanding)

Not a clue. Just looking for marginal gains on a list I'm interested in playing, not too fussed if there's a better list archetype out there

Hi folks I've got a fair pile of Stormcast that I've collected over the last couple of years, including just over 2000 points painted. I collect and paint the stuff I like, rather than what's good, and generally just play with that. But I'm considering going to some events so I'd like to optimise it a little bit, because as long as I stick to what I like and the list is fun to play, it'll be better not losing every game before I've even reached the table 😅 Some friends suggested that building around the evocators on dracolines could be a good fit for me, so I've made a list I think I like the look of, that requires some painting but is largely what I've already got. Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: GhurLord-Arcanum on Celestial Dracoline (220)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm- Spell: Celestial Blades- Mount Trait: Pride LeaderKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Lighntning BlastKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: StormcallerKnight-Heraldor (100)5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammers- 1x Grandblades- 1x Grandhammers6 x Evocators on Dracolines (600)- Lore of Invigoration: Terrifying Aspect3 x Vanguard-Palladors (180)- Boltstorm Pistols and Starstrike JavelinsEverblaze Comet (100)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 107 I'm particularly wondering: A) If I'm best off without a Stormhost, or if there's one that makes sense here B) If I stay freeform, would I benefit more from Staunch on the Lord-Arcanum for the evocats or on a Knight-Incantor for the Liberators/Judicators? C) How to divide up my Judicators and Liberators Other feedback is welcome, and I do have some other heroes and units (but I'm not particularly interested in running shootcast or gavbomb tbh!)