MaxPounder Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 23 hours ago, Popisdead said: How do you get the 2+ re-rollable? Mystic Shield and something? I have noticed a trend with Exalted Keepers being popular in I think both AoS and 40k. Do they stand out that much? I have always been tempted to pick one up. Yeah mystic shield to bring her to a 2+ and then the chaos sorcerer lord has an ability to give any unit within 10" rerolls 1 to saves. He can also cast daemonic power to give her rerolls 1 of to hit, to wound and to saves if you wanted even more buffs. 160 points is expensive for a 5 wound model but he is so worth it from the above abilities. From my experience you can't beat her. As long as you keep her away from any mortal wound spammers she will tear through most armies. Her pile in twice ability basically doubles the damage output of a 500 point monster. I've had her chew through 40 ghouls in one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 When an exalted chariot charges a unit and say, rolls 5 4+'s, does it do 5d3 mortal wounds or just the d3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgecoc Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5d3 mortal wounds is what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnith Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hey guys, new member, but I've done some lurking. I have question about a slaanesh list I'm building. Allegiance: Slaanesh- Host: PretendersKeeper Of Secrets (280)- General- Trait: Supremely Vain - Artefact: Breathtaker - Slaanesh Allegiance Option: Allure of Slaanesh (Second Command Trait)Herald Of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot (160)Herald Of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot (160)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (120)30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270)30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270)5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100)- Claw spear5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100)- Claw spearJabberslythe (120)Jabberslythe (120)Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 1800 / 2000Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 133 My last 200 parts are what I am struggling with. I have a few options though. I really like the sorcerer lord on manticore as it provides the reroll 1's and is more tankier than the base lord. It also allows me to provide additional magical support as the guant summoner is on Horde removal duty and zone denial with the balewind. My other choice is another squad of hellstriders with the masque of slaanesh. The masque to proc daemonette locus ability and be a general nuisance . I've had success with hellstriders being annoying with helping a star drake fail to kill a seeker chariot after 3 combat rounds cause of the -2 to hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 @carnith looks awesome man! I think there are a lot of options to go with that last 200 points. I feel like you could consider a second KoS by dropping a Jabberslythe (they are great but one usually suffices as an obnoxious piece) or alternatively also consider a Slaanesh Deamon Prince, I think it could really aid your Daemon heavy army in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 hours ago, carnith said: Hey guys, new member, but I've done some lurking. I have question about a slaanesh list I'm building. Allegiance: Slaanesh- Host: PretendersKeeper Of Secrets (280)- General- Trait: Supremely Vain - Artefact: Breathtaker - Slaanesh Allegiance Option: Allure of Slaanesh (Second Command Trait)Herald Of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot (160)Herald Of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot (160)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (120)30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270)30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270)5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100)- Claw spear5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100)- Claw spearJabberslythe (120)Jabberslythe (120)Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 1800 / 2000Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 133 My last 200 parts are what I am struggling with. I have a few options though. I really like the sorcerer lord on manticore as it provides the reroll 1's and is more tankier than the base lord. It also allows me to provide additional magical support as the guant summoner is on Horde removal duty and zone denial with the balewind. My other choice is another squad of hellstriders with the masque of slaanesh. The masque to proc daemonette locus ability and be a general nuisance . I've had success with hellstriders being annoying with helping a star drake fail to kill a seeker chariot after 3 combat rounds cause of the -2 to hit. How are you getting -2 to hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevewren Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tasman said: How are you getting -2 to hit? Stacking the hell striders I would imagine - can't remember if you can do this or not, although it gets outlawed at some events where you can't stack the same buff from two sources, even if the RAW says it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnith Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The keeper will have the -1 to hit debuff on themself. the gaunt summoner gets a -1 in combat, and the heralds get a -1 when attacked by heroes. Sorry for not clearing up, it's not by stacking hellstrider debuffs as I don't think that ruling will be legitimate. I feel GW is intending to make "a", "any" and "one or more" all equivalent, which they've done with one or more and any. They really needed rules writers to sit down and codify the words with the same intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 5:48 AM, Stevewren said: Stacking the hell striders I would imagine - can't remember if you can do this or not, although it gets outlawed at some events where you can't stack the same buff from two sources, even if the RAW says it's fine. Not stackable, alas. However you CAN get -2 on the LODM and KoS by having units of striders within 6" of any units within 6" of them..... it's not that big of a bubble, but it can be manipulated nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnith Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 So I played two games yesterday with the manticore in the list. Game 1 was vs Stormcast. Stormcast brought 30 liberators 5 liberators 5 liberators 5 bow judicators 5 xbow judicators. 4 fulminators castellant celestent relictor Battleplan was Battle for the Pass. He had turn 1 and moved up as far as he could and get 3 points. My turn 1 consisted of me charging him with a chariot and some jabberslythes with some support with a hellstrider. The gaunt Summoner killed some liberators and took some wounds off lord celestent. My girls moved up as far as they could and he took my chariot down to 1 wound. I won a double turn which consisted of my keeper, and daemonettes charging with jabberslythes now in his backfield . His fulminators were just ineffective. The manticore had to sit back to hold the objective , a mistake as i didn't realize battle for the pass just had to touch an objective once to own it. Game 2 was vs Khorne, the fight as old as time. List was 2x10 blood warriors 1x5 blood warriors 2x6 skullcrushers 1x3 skull crushers might lord on jugger skullgrinder aspiring something or other. 2x khorgorath. Red headsmen Brass Stampede This was scenario 6 out of the GHB, so there are 6 objectives, with 3 on each side. You can control an objective or if its in your opponents turn, burn it for d3. My line up had jabberslythes on the flanks with a chariot on each side daemonettes in two groups with hellstriders spread about with keeper by one squad. This game down to points in the end. I had murdered most of his units, but he got a few of his red headsmen marks, so when a few blood warriors hit, they exploded the number of wounds they did. The game came down to 14-16 in points with me eeking out a victory. I misplayed a bit. My sorcerer lord held a point for a long time and his spell went off twice, once for 6 mortal wounds, and once for nothing. The gaunt summoner did not a whole lot, but it was an elite army, so i sniped out what I could. The Jabberslythes played as a magnet for scary things to weaken themselves on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroke Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 5:44 PM, carnith said: The keeper will have the -1 to hit debuff on themself. the gaunt summoner gets a -1 in combat, and the heralds get a -1 when attacked by heroes. Sorry for not clearing up, it's not by stacking hellstrider debuffs as I don't think that ruling will be legitimate. I feel GW is intending to make "a", "any" and "one or more" all equivalent, which they've done with one or more and any. They really needed rules writers to sit down and codify the words with the same intent. No they will not, if anything they will just reword the warscroll to any. "A"="one" in the English language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnith Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Then I look forward to further clarification and unification of rules writing, as it is now, people having multiple interpretations of the same rule shouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, carnith said: Then I look forward to further clarification and unification of rules writing, as it is now, people having multiple interpretations of the same rule shouldn't exist. Lol. That's been the case for as long as I've been involved with the hobby....[25+ yrs] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I've been having quite a lot of luck with this list: Host: Pretenders Leaders - Exalted Greater Daemon of Slaanesh (500) - General - Command Trait : Supremely Vain - Slaanesh Allegiance Option : Devotee of Torment (Second Command Trait) - The Masque Of Slaanesh (80) - Daemon Prince Of Slaanesh (160) - Artefact : Icon of Infinite Excess - Chaos Sorcerer Lord (160) - Runesword - Mark of Chaos : Slaanesh - Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (120) - Allies Units - 30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270) - 30 x Daemonettes Of Slaanesh (270) - 10 x Seekers Of Slaanesh (240) - 5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100) -Claw spear - Enrapturing Banner - 5 x Hellstriders Of Slaanesh (100) -Claw spear - Enrapturing Banner Total: 2000 / 2000 Allies: 120 / 400 Leaders: 5/6 Battlelines: 4 (3+) Behemoths: 2/4 Artillery: 0/4 Wounds: 138 The general strategy is quite simple; the seekers are likely to get a first turn charge, so buff them with the sorcerer's spell, a mystic shield from the keeper, and the keeper's command ability. They'll likely mince a squishy unit, or at least hold up a chunk of an army - especially good against shooting units that would need to move to shoot at the rest of your army because it severely limits their options. The Masque also aims to hold up their army in order to give you ample time to position yourself (especially the exalted keeper and daemonettes). These two units can really help disrupt the opponent's options on their first turn and opens up loads of options to you because your speed lets you get anywhere you want. The daemon prince keeps near the daemonettes and will charge in with them against whatever unit you want dead; when activating the banner, attack with a unit of daemonettes first and they'll likely mince through most of the unit, but if not, the daemon prince will get to attack before the enemy gets the use the +1 to hit. The Hellstriders are mainly good for protecting the daemonettes or the keeper, but are decent at holding a point because they can move so quickly away from the point to a better position if needed, and the -1 to hit can make them tankier than they look. Don't rely on them to kill anything - from what I've seen, they're pacifists. The gaunt summoner is to eliminate annoying horde units that you don't want to spend time chewing through; while daemonettes can kill most hordes, there are better options for them to fight (such as elite troops or expensive monsters). The two power-houses of the army are the daemonettes and the exalted keeper. The daemonettes are pretty straightforward, the only real goal is to keep them near the daemonprince for his banner and the ability to force your opponent to reroll 6s to hit. They will blend through most things, but you want to attack with them first as they also get blended through; thankfully, you won't have many other units in danger (either because they're out of 3" or will pile in and attack first anyway). In addition, the pretenders allowing you to reroll 1s to hit is very useful for you. After the seeker alpha strike, the exalted keeper should be buffed with the sorcerer spell and a mystic shield (supremely vain helps secure this), and sometimes its own command ability. This thing is your best hero killer; the general strategy is to run it out of 4 to 6" away from an enemy hero who is also near another hero (hopefully one of which is a general or a key buffer), get through the rest of combat before using devotee of torment to pile in from over 3" away and attack into the hero; if this hero has any less than 10 wounds, it will almost certainly die. The best part comes with the command ability as it lets you pile in an additional 6" and attack another poor hero or a horde that needs mulching. Devotee of torment allows you to retreat and pile in as well, so don't worry about sticking around if you don't want to (or you find a better target). To make use of supremely vain, simply use this model as the hammer to the spiky anvil of daemonettes so that it will be close enough to 10 models (and it will bring the pain with seven attacks at 2/2/-1/2 rerolling all 1s and four attacks at 2/1/-2/3 rerolling all 1s. The reason I use the exalted over the normal KoS is because only the exalted can really hold its own as a true combat monster; the normal isn't bad, but it's not reliable enough to become the murder-storm hero killer the exalted becomes (you should easily be killing three 5-wound heros per round). As for games with this list, I've not lost any, and have won against Slaves to Darkness, Moonclan, Stormcast, and Wanderers (tabelling within turn 3 for all of them) with over 75% of the army left alive and well (except in the case of Stormcast, which was a lot closer). I would not recommend the list in casual games - especially devotee of torment on the keeper - as it isn't exactly fun to play against for an unprepared opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Brilliant list and great strategy write up as well!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfhead Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Ie got a fluff question. Iḿ working on some new fluff to expand my Slaanesh elves army (link to my plog in signature). At this point my former main character has reached daemonhood, in order to survive the end times, and has founded a city in the realm of light. It may not be expected of chaos to create cities, but to me it makes a lot of sense. My character was worshipping the creative and artistisc aspect of Slaanesh most of all. for art to exist, I think there must be some kind of civilisation so creating a city where artisans are resprected and magically enhanced to create the best pieces of art for the amusement of Slaanesh makes a lot of sense. anyway, to move the story forward I want to create a new character. A diplomat in the service of Thalion (my damenon prince character). However this new character does not know the truth, as I imagine less and less citizens do. In his quest to gain further power he might slowly find out the truth about the true ruler of the city. This, for me, opens up a lot of possibilities for intrige and encounters with different characters from a range of different armies. So, my actual question is this: I'm wondering if it is clear for how much time Slaanesh has been missing. I imagine a lot of human seekers have died and the amount of Slaanesh worshippers must have been diminished. Does anyone know of have a clear insight in the timeline so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgecoc Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I’m sure when Slaanesh breaks free we will know. Seems like they are keeping that story for much later, maybe when MP is over he will break out in the confusion and chaos that follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 since every chaos faction has been released in January each year I am going to put it out there and say Jan 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgecoc Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Anyone else think the new Slaanesh models when they are released will be Aelven? Also would fit with the unknown Eldar faction that worships Slaanesh, if that also happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 New Slaaneshi artefact unlocked by the Dread Solstice global campaign this week. Don't blow all your gloss varnish at once. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/dread-solstice-week-5gw-homepage-post-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Make a Keeper of Secrets fly hey? Interesting... Or, a herald on exalted seeker chariot... now that has some scary potential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRogalDorn Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 It says Mortal Slaanesh Hero... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Oops, so it does. So who is this good for then? Slaanesh Sorcerer Lord perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Render Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Lord of Chaos (the Slaves to Darkness guy on foot) would probably be my choice. 12" move, flying (thanks to the artifact) plus run and charge from his warscroll. Could be a great squishy hero hunter. He's usually only a 5" move, so the added benefit is substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseOnABeachBall Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 So is this officially a matched play thing ? If so , who could possibly use it? - Both Lords on foot seem to be the maximum beneficiaries , although both aren't too important. They offer slight buffs , but a 5 wound hero with a 4+ save gets erased quickly if he attracts even the slightest attention. When it's comes to killing things the Slaanesh lord fares a little bit better. Still nothing to write home about. - Lord on Daemonic mount A little bit better here. Being able to run and charge with a flying model is a good thing. A Seeker Lord ends up with move 14", can run and charge and reliably put about 1-2 wounds on stuff. - Sorceror Lord Offers some better repositioning potential, nothing more. - Lord on Bitty Worm Probably the sleeper here. A Seeker lord on Bitty worm with greaves has an 18" flight move. Quite handy for grabbing objectives , disengaging and generally keeping himself alive. I think this new artefact is a solid contender for #2 item slot. Right now it's #1 Icon of infinite excess #2 Breath Stealer or Greaves #3-7 everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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