Pazuzu Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hi! I'm not touching warhammer miniatures since 6th edition, I wanted to restart, but now everything is changed! It's amazing! There are 2 armies (sylvaneth and khorne guys) that I really like, and I want to have an Idea of how they play and witch are the best firsts miniatures to buy to create a good, balanced 1000 points army, my goal is to learn the game at the beginning and have an expandable army in the future. So I writhe here hoping you guys have any suggestion, or links to similar threads anywhere in the internet, to learn everything I need to start collecting Khorne Bloodbound! I've already rules and battle tomes, but without playing I can't fully understand all the dynamics of the game, so it's hard for me to build a list, and at least at the beginning I wouldn't like to buy useless stuff, I'm not that rich... Thank you! Ps: I'm Italian, so, I apologize if I made grammar mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praecautus Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Khorne bloodbound are an army of synergies, weak units can be buffed to deliver more damage. This makes them an army you need to pay attention to and keep on top of which unit is near which hero. they rely almost exclusively on melee combat and lack e.g. Magic, range options for example. However you can supplement with slaves to darkness units. the best thing to start with would be the khorne half of the starter set, either buy full box and sell the sce or pick it off eBay. This give the core force and several heroes iou need especially the blood secrator , who are not available else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith01 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Yeah, your best option is to get the Starter set. Right now it's the only place you're going to find The Might Lord of Khorne, Bloodsecrator, Bloodstoker and Khorgorath. I love them all, and I'm thinking about getting a second set just to get another Bloodsecrator and Khorgorath (also fill out my Blood Warriors). The next thing you'll want to do is get more Blood Warriors, I'd recommend the Start Collecting Khorne Bloodbound box since it'll also get you a Slaughterpriest and some Skullcrushers. I recently asked what recommendations I could get to expand and my next purchases should be 10 Wrathmongers and 30 Bloodletters. Like you, I'm on a budget so it'll take some time to make it to 2000 points, but I have fun playing smaller games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheskull Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Grab Gorechosen (4 heroes), eBay the Bloodsecrator & Bloodstoker, and 2 start collecting Bloodbound boxes for a solid starting force. You'll also have an absolute blast playing Gorechosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 thanks to everybody, Taketheskull Warchosen is the real reason I'm coming back to wh, love that game! And the start collecting boxes are a very good deal! My doubt was if the bloodwarriors are better than the bloodreavers, dark feast battallion looks great to me ( but obviously I have no idea of how the meta is ), if you tell me that the bloodwarriors are good I'm even happier because, I love the miniatures Wraith01 Yea I had a look to your topic, my intention wasn't to make a clone, but learn more basic stuff, I think I'll understand better what's there after a couple of matches ;-) Praecautus I was right about asking which synergies are the most effective and why? Which are the most used battalions? Which are the combos? For example, reading the battletome, the Bloodstoker looks really great but I've got a lot of doubts, maybe what's in my head is really different from the real game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 For Bloodbound the first key synergy is from your Bloodsecrator. He can plant his banner in the Hero phase and make everything within 18" automatically pass battleshock and grants +1 attack too! You can have two of them to provide double buff and/or greater coverage. The Bloodstoker is useful but can only buff a single unit at a time. Generally I've found that you want to get the most out of Bloodreavers, you need to go "all in" - Dark Feast Battalion and lots of Bloodreavers. Without a save they die in droves, so you really need a lot of bodies to get the most out of them. My personal preference is Blood Warriors, though they're an expensive unit, they hit hard and once in combat will always cause some damage even if killed and a 4+ save is nothing to be sniffed at. You really need to aim for a unit of ten though to open up the option of a Goreglaive (give it to the Champion). I'd also second picking up the starter set models (think it's around 700 points) and play a few games with them. That way you should find out what units you like and what ones you're less keen on. After that you'll have a much better idea on what way to take the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I've been watching this topic and have been wondering if there are any key units from the slaves to darkness and from khorne daemons that are go-tos for bloodhound players, or if it's more beneficial to stay pure bloodhound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praecautus Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 In daemons there's are Bloodletters for sure and skull cannon for pure khorne range (nb better range options are out there). Also soul grinder. Slaves to darkness can take khorne mark. So Chaos shrine is useful with reavers as it gives them a ward save of 6+ And totem. Marauders give an alternative load out to reavers, the guys on horses give you some speed - not sure how effective. Not sure about the heroes as their buffs are for std and not bloodbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspirant Snaeper Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 As Praecautus said. Warshrine and Marauders as well as maybe chariots are worthwhile. Chaos Warriors with Greataxes for tough guys with rend are a hidden gem. Bloodthirsters are also useful from Daemons. Big hard hitting monstrosities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Do any of these options make the list more competitive or would one be better off stay pure bloodhound for the battalion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspirant Snaeper Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 If you're looking for "The one list to beat them all" then there's no answer. How do you play? What units do you like? Those are the questions you need to ask yourself. The current meta favors speed and alternative deployment. Bloodthirsters, Bloodcrushers, Knights, Chariots and Marauder Horsemen fill that role. If you want to have an all conquering Bloodbound list get a bunch of Khorne marked Slaves on horses and chariots and mix them with a Brazen Stampede. Otherwise buy the units you like and that fit your playing style. Even the worst unit can work well if you play it every game and learn its strengths and weaknesses, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praecautus Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 If you are planning to have a large reaver contingent then get the war shrine. Bloodletters plus sayl is meant to be good, he teleports the bloodletters into the enemy lines and carnage ensues. StD do generally fill most of the holes in bloodbound so are worth checking out depending on your needs. Pure bloodbound is generally a walking army of melee specialists so adding to it can be useful and can surprise an opponent. Otherwise choose based on your needs and meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Thank you for the info, not sure about the OP but my meta is min-maxed sylvaneth, a tournament tomb kings army and 1 iron jaws army. Wondering if bloodbound stand a chance against competitive sylvaneth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Khorne generals are good customers of chaos dwarfs - get a massive slab of fireglaives and a castellan and enjoy order and destruction units getting torn apart by gunfire from behind your lines for larger games. Pazuzu, from a theme and cinematic look what do you see your army as being? heavy armour lots of bodies or a mix of both? I often finds it help to try and create a theme and feel for the army because thin this can help you focus your model and buying choice. At 1000 points just enjoy the game and try not to get too caught up in the competitive side of things. Lavy, what are the sylvaneth players bringing to the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Alarielle the Everqueen drycha hamadreth Spirit of durthu Dryads x 10 Dryads x 10 Revenants x 5 Kurnoth hunters x 3 Kurnoth hunters x 3 TOTAL POINTS: 2000 / 2000 or something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotyn Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 A couple of slaughterpriests to threaten to pull out the Sylvaneth from their woods and cover save or MW nuke; mighty lord and especially wrathmongers put the fear into high damage close combat units like Alarielle, Drycha, Durthu and close combat Kurnoth hunters. Sayl dropping a load of wrathmongers onto Durthu would be great fun, he just cant afford to hit back and must get out of there. But having said all that, competitive is about the scenario, and mobility is just as important as combat superiority. Not a great deal of mortal wounds coming out of Bloodbound, thats why many people take the 30 bloodletters, but thats also a glass cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 here I am! So I bought the Khorne part of the starter set and I've already had the gorechoosen box. I made a couple of lists at 1000 pts to plan what I should buy next. I want to be a bit competitive, but the most important goal for me is to have a good synergic army, so that's what I thought, with a couple of questions: buying a starter set I can arrange this: LeadersMighty Lord Of Khorne (140)- General- Trait: Great Destroyer (can I use this trait and his ability as well?) Bloodsecrator (120)- Artefact: Chaos TalismanBloodstoker (80)Skullgrinder (80) (I don't know if is better him or the Khorgorath, on the paper I prefer this cos is going to help with the unpredictable destruction rolls but i've to try, what do you think?)Battleline10 x Blood Warriors (200)- Goreaxes5 x Blood Warriors (100)- Goreaxes20 x Bloodreavers (120)- Reaver Blades3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)- Axes- Khorne Mortal BattlelineUnitsTotal: 1000/1000 or buying 2 boxes of reavers ( I really love reavers) I can do that: LeadersMighty Lord Of Khorne (140)- General- Trait: Great DestroyerBloodsecrator (120)- Artefact: Crown of ConquestBloodstoker (80)- Artefact: Chaos TalismanSlaughterpriest (100)- Bloodbathed AxeBattleline5 x Blood Warriors (100)- Goreaxes20 x Bloodreavers (120)- Reaver Blades20 x Bloodreavers (120)- Reaver Blades20 x Bloodreavers (120)- Reaver BladesUnitsBattalionsDark Feast (100)Total: 1000/1000 I like them both but on the second I fear to have not enough reavers because they are naked and I don't really know if that squad can really do his job due to my inexperience, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotyn Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Prefer the second, the 3 Mighty Skullcrushers and 20 Bloodreavers both aren't enough to really cut through anything, the second army doubles down, and you want 60 of these guys because they will be dropping like flies. Just be careful to make sure your Portal of Skulls is up ASAP to avoid bad battleshock, you can daisychain the units as necessary (a few models at the back strung out towards the Bloodsecrator to make sure the unit is within range to get the buff). Worst thing is going first, moving your Bloodsecrator forward to get position, then the enemy double turning you and you losing loads to battleshock before the portal has gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Wotyn said: Prefer the second, the 3 Mighty Skullcrushers and 20 Bloodreavers both aren't enough to really cut through anything, the second army doubles down, and you want 60 of these guys because they will be dropping like flies. Just be careful to make sure your Portal of Skulls is up ASAP to avoid bad battleshock, you can daisychain the units as necessary (a few models at the back strung out towards the Bloodsecrator to make sure the unit is within range to get the buff). Worst thing is going first, moving your Bloodsecrator forward to get position, then the enemy double turning you and you losing loads to battleshock before the portal has gone down. Love to hear that, reavers are my favourite models, I just had the fear that 60 weren't enough cos they are naked, for the battle shock I've the battalion that helps me as well so I think I will be able to manage it, thank you for the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Malnatto Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I like Dark Feast, but 20 men per unit aren't enough for me, bloodreavers die very fast, so at 1000 points I play the Goreblade Warband Leaders Bloodsecrator (120) Bloodstoker (80) Mighty Lord Of Khorne (140) - General Battleline 5 x Blood Warriors (100) - Goreaxe & Gorefist 40 x Bloodreavers (240) - Meatripper Axes Units 1 x Khorgoraths (80) 5 x Wrathmongers (180) Battalions Goreblade Warband (60) Total: 1000/1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Lord Malnatto said: I like Dark Feast, but 20 men per unit aren't enough for me, bloodreavers die very fast, so at 1000 points I play the Goreblade Warband Leaders Bloodsecrator (120) Bloodstoker (80) Mighty Lord Of Khorne (140) - General Battleline 5 x Blood Warriors (100) - Goreaxe & Gorefist 40 x Bloodreavers (240) - Meatripper Axes Units 1 x Khorgoraths (80) 5 x Wrathmongers (180) Battalions Goreblade Warband (60) Total: 1000/1000 Nice one, I'll try it as well, thank you very mutch! for the moment I'm going to proxy the models I don't have until the next wage, so I've got one month (hopefully) to try all the combination and choose what to buy! So If you guys have any suggestions those are more than welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 you might want to try running the blood reavers as Khorne Marauders. they will have an armour save and with the bloodsecrator will pump out two attacks instead of three, but you can keep the bloodsecrator further back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 On 19/2/2017 at 11:48 PM, Kaleb Daark said: you might want to try running the blood reavers as Khorne Marauders. they will have an armour save and with the bloodsecrator will pump out two attacks instead of three, but you can keep the bloodsecrator further back. yes I think so, but what I like of reavers is the dark feast, with the stoker I can avoid the battleshock tests so I've more freedom placing the secrator, and with the priest alive and everything set up correctly i can make 4 attacks per model that sound impressive to me. Obviously I've got 0 experience, so for sure I'll try your alternative as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspirant Snaeper Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Only 4 attacks per model? Maybe in the first round of combat! Dark Feast's attack bonus stacks every time the 'reavers attack. First turn they attack: 1 extra Second turn they attack: 2 extra Etc. Note that if they do not attack in a round of combat they do not get an additional attack but they dont lose any bonuses either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 20 hours ago, Aspirant Snaeper said: Only 4 attacks per model? Maybe in the first round of combat! Dark Feast's attack bonus stacks every time the 'reavers attack. First turn they attack: 1 extra Second turn they attack: 2 extra Etc. Note that if they do not attack in a round of combat they do not get an additional attack but they dont lose any bonuses either. wait... whaaaaat? My bad English strikes again! before I was thinking: ok that's cool... but now! Thank you for the clarification, really precious! That's too cool to be real! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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