NoTurtlesAllowed Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Looking at the leaks for the new Battletome, Warrior Brotherhood and Wardens of the Realmgate are not listed in the points. Does this mean they will no longer be playable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wayniac Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The leaked Pitched Battle profiles from the new book doesn't have: Warrior Brotherhood, Skyborne Slayers or Wardens of the Realmgate battalions listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StealthKnightSteg Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 For Matched play: No they are no longer available For every other play: Yes you can still use them, but is it fun to do so in Open / Narrative play? That is something you need to discuss with your opponent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HobbyHammer Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It seems it is because of the new alliegence abilities and prayers are going to give you similar options, please now there are as well as battalions, chambers to build as forces. So I can still see a lot of lightening strike, alpha strike abilities going on. Just in different ways. Those battalions probably don't work with the new mechanics Stormcast are going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Bummer they didn't list the starter set battalion. They should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhellion Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Until GHB2, they still have points in the General's Handbook. At least for Warrior Brotherhood... the army was in Grand Alliance Order so it is not in a book that has been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayniac Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rhellion said: Until GHB2, they still have points in the General's Handbook. At least for Warrior Brotherhood... the army was in Grand Alliance Order so it is not in a book that has been replaced. You know.. I wonder if that's why it's not here. Wasn't Skyborne Slayers a web-only battalion? Wardens of the Realmgate I'm not sure where that one came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldoBeardo Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I'd still suggest that points for those battalions missing is that those battalions are no longer intended for matched play.In line with previous GW on this, the warscrolls are still available and valid, but the up-to-date matched play for them won't.Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, wayniac said: You know.. I wonder if that's why it's not here. Wasn't Skyborne Slayers a web-only battalion? Wardens of the Realmgate I'm not sure where that one came from. They are both (ss and wb) in the Order GA book actually. Not in the first SE tome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Quote For Matched play: No they are no longer available I'm surprised by this. I don't think it's clear yet, but it should be answered in an FAQ (unless the Battletome itself answers the question). Not including something in a list of DoT warscrolls in the DoT book doesn't invalidate other Tzeentch things still listed in the GH or otherwise pointed . By which, I mean other units, rather than adjusted versions of old units/battalions - good examples would be the Everchosen version of the Gaunt Summoner - on a disk - (who has a separate name profile as only he can fit in the Overlords of Chaos battalion) and also the Gaunt Summoner with Chaos Familiars, who is costed at 120 rather than 100 and is found in the Silver Tower Matched Play Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lyons Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, BaldoBeardo said: I'd still suggest that points for those battalions missing is that those battalions are no longer intended for matched play. In line with previous GW on this, the warscrolls are still available and valid, but the up-to-date matched play for them won't. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk This would not be technically true until the new GHBII drops. The current GHB should likely stay in effect until a new GHB replaces it. Just because profiles aren't in the current SCE tome doesn't mean they are immediately illegal. For example, the FW exclusive Stormcast Knight-Errant isn't on that newest list and he has points and is legal in matched play. I highly doubt their intent was to invalidate this model with this profile list. Matched play points in the tome reflect what units and battalions are in that tome. Nothing more. Things will likely only cycle out when they are formally not pointed in the forthcoming update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I agree with @Rhellion and @Thomas Lyons - Things like the Warrior Brotherhood haven't been overwritten with new scrolls as such, so still have matched play profiles IMO. Until the GH2 comes out and no longer lists these things I would suggest they are still useable. Obviously though you would still have to adhere to the updated SCE warscrolls such as the Knight Azyros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottle Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I think they've been left out of the book because the new Battletrait for Stormcast (Scions of the Storm) is the Deepstrike ability and so the two clash when in play. Although it could be that the old battalions like WB and SS are ways for non-SCE armies to Deepstrike, for example Stormcast mixed with wider Order. Not sure if you can fit much outside a WB or SS at 2000 points though, just a quick thought after glancing through the new battletome today briefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritofHokuto Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bottle said: I think they've been left out of the book because the new Battletrait for Stormcast (Scions of the Storm) is the Deepstrike ability and so the two clash when in play. Although it could be that the old battalions like WB and SS are ways for non-SCE armies to Deepstrike, for example Stormcast mixed with wider Order. Not sure if you can fit much outside a WB or SS at 2000 points though, just a quick thought after glancing through the new battletome today briefly. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room in WB if you max out the paladin units (which is usually a good idea), but SS can leave you with a fair bit if left at a minimum except Protectors usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthKnightSteg Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 As I said in the Rumour thread, but better to keep that on topic 7 minutes ago, StealthKnightSteg said: Concerning the validation of "missing" battalion scrolls as I see it: the whole Matched play points list in the SE (new) book invalidates the whole GHB v1.0 lists of SE and SE Extremis. In my opinion any other reasoning is just rules lawyering to keep your hopes up on keeping out of balance stuff viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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