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So with the Tzeentch army having been released and the general consensus being that the Steamhead Duardin will be the next major faction for a release im curious as to what people really expect.

I know what most people have said. Airships, War walkers, Steam punk.

However im curious as to what people think specifically the army will look like:

For instance if we break down the Ironjaws, Sylvaneth and Arcanites(not daemons so much but obviously their is a little corss over) release we have:

A character: Gordrakk,    Alarielle & Drycha,     Karios Fateweaver

A Behemoth(s): Maw Krusha,    Treelords,      Lord of Change

A General: Megaboss,    Treelord Ancient/Durthu,     Tzzangor Shaman/Gaunt Summoner/Ogroid(And all the recycled models)

A Priest/Totem/Support Character:    Warchanter, Branchwych,    Same as general

A Wizard/Priest: Weirdnob Shaman,    Branch Wraith,     Same as general

A Core unit: Ardboys,    Dryads,    Karic Acolytes

An Elite/Signature Unit: Brutes,  Revanants,   Tzaangors/Elightned

A heavy hitter/cavalry/Specialist unit, Kurnoth Hunters,   Skyfires

 

Now obviously their are exceptions and differences but the pattern is there.

So the question is what do you think will fill these slots? and do you think the existing Duardin will be heavily incorporated and if so what or do you think it will be more like the ironjaws (A new elite faction ontop of the "normal" orruks?

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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Longbeards, Hammerers, Ironbreakers and Irondrakes incorporated into Steamhead Duardin, as they have heavy armour that could be painted up to fit well with a brass steampunk aesthetic. The two gyrocopters as well maybe. The issue here is that these units are currently propping up 2 woefully aenemic factions, so removing them will make things difficult for Dispossesed players (and Ironweld Arsenal is barely even a faction as it is).

In any case, I think that would give you your core unit (Longbeards/Hammerers), elite unit (Ironbreakers/Irondrakes) and specialist (Gyrocopters). As for the rest, anything goes really. Character, general, priest and behemoth could even conceivably be combined into a single multi-kit along the lines of the Magmadroth. Given that some kind of mechanical construct can more easily be given lots of modular parts, it would be very easy to make one kit that can be assembled in lots of different ways.

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The Cogsmith, Gyrocopters and Ironbreakers and Irondrakes for sure.  Probably some kind of big stompy golem-robot - one was rumoured ages ago alongside heavy boar boyz (Gore-Gruntaz) and a chaos knight on a two-headed dragon (ok it was three heads, but that is old Archie boy for sure).

Other than, maybe some jetpack duardin, a few extra heroes (maybe the Warden King will be moved across?) and some super-heavy duardin terminators. 

Hopefully the models will also remain part of the Dispossessed & Ironweld Arsenal, with the justification of dwarves being culturally conservative so the Azyrheim bunch just followed the same conventions as their distant cousins. 

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2 hours ago, BlooDeck said:

Other than, maybe some jetpack duardin, a few extra heroes (maybe the Warden King will be moved across?) and some super-heavy duardin terminators.

I like the idea of Jetpack Duardin!

My guess is a new Duardin Battltome would be similar to the Disciples of Tzeentch and iontroduce new model while rolling in rules for all Duardin from Dispossessed and Ironweld, even possibly Fyreslayers 

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1 hour ago, GRex said:

I like the idea of Jetpack Duardin!

My guess is a new Duardin Battltome would be similar to the Disciples of Tzeentch and iontroduce new model while rolling in rules for all Duardin from Dispossessed and Ironweld, even possibly Fyreslayers 

Perhaps. I'm not so sure on that though. I'm kind of hesitant to say the DoT battletome is a blueprint for the future. Another possibility might just be fluff advancement with the Steamhead meeting up with the Dispossessed and the two combining (can't be dispossessed when you have your home back!)

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I'd like them to keep old minis in dispossessed. Would like it to be completely new faction with laser/tesla/advanced pistols.  Maybe a strike team with hammers or bobba fett style shooters. Abviously a mech is a must.  To be honest i hate gyrocopters design but they are probably unavoidable in this army. I'd rather see some jetpacks, mechs and terminator-like dwarfs. 

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For the elites id like to see some steam powerd mounts or even suits. Not grey knight Dreadknight sized but something that looks a little like the ones from the film the Edge of Tommorow. So suits that increase their sature slightly but up their speed and strength and maybe allow them to carry larger weapons like mini cannons and drill arms.

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Alright, here goes (fair warning, I was so hyped for the 8th edition dwarves and the rumours about what the potential releases that I found it hard to sleep, so may be overthinking and wishlisting here...)

So, release date.

  • 18th February preorder, 25th February on sale: Stormcast
  • 25th February preorder, 4th March on sale: Stormcast
  • 4th March preorder, 11th March on sale: Gathering Storm III, triumvirate box
  • 11th March on preorder, 18th March on sale: Shadows over Hammerhal
  • (these last two are based on the leaked White Dwarf and previous release dates for Gathering Storm books).
  • 18th March preorder: Duardin probably a two week slot.

I see the release looking like this:

  • A Duardin Battletome along the lines of the Tzeentch Battletome. The linking keyword would be Duardin, but the majority of the book would introduce the Steamhead faction along with some updates to the the current setting with what is happening with other Duardin forces
  • I feel it likely that the steamhead faction will really push the elite play style.
  • Big centrepiece kit: Skyship. Huge and powerful, with design features echoing the gyro- rage, so much sleeker and more compact than might be expected
  • Elite specialist: walking tank. Massive guns and massive armour, looking like a vast ancestor statue golem
  • Signature unit: Mid size mechs with an interesting mix of weapon options, looking like oversized diving suits
  • Battleline: Duardin with powered armour, including jet packs
  • Support character: Heavily armoured cogsmith with some kind of jetpack
  • General: Skyship pirate captain, maybe in a mech suit

Obviously a lot of this is, shall we say, hopeful? Still, i will lay out my reasoning.

First, why do I think 18th March as the preorder date? Because that is the earliest slot that is not going to be covered in the March WD, and the March WD does not appear to have anything steamhead in it. Also, I think the release is imminent based on the fact that one of the first Rumour Engine images was something Duardin, and I believe that most of the currently unresolved images are of steamhead kits.

Second, on the aesthetics and actual releases. On Faiet 212 we had reference to jet pack dwarves, the rumours for 8th edition Dwarves included golems, on the latest White Dwarf we have Grombrindal referencing a skyship, a poster on Dakka Dakka mentioned a walking tank, Lady Atia described one of the Rumour Mill images as a harpoon, all points to a much more high tech release than we might be expecting. Also, in general I look at the 8th edition release and how it moved the aesthetic from previous incarnations to inform my thinking / hoping.

Third, the lack of run of the mill models. Because the Duardin should be awesome :) But in all seriousness, they are to my mind a race of high tech innovators who rely on their engineering and technological skills to make up for the fact that they are very small in numbers. Giving them potent tech and commensurate profiles in game balanced with huge points costs would feel right.

Fourth, why I feel it will be a Battletome Duardin rather than Battletome Steamhead. Because it will kill many birds with one stone - a few extra charts of items that are available only to Fyreslayers and with their new points they will be in line with other armies. The Dispossessed also can be given a little edge by giving them access to artefact options, and maybe some new battalions. Finally, the book can be assured a larger market as it will appeal to anyone who collects any of the Duardin ranges.

Finally, whatever occurs, I am sure it will be awesome and exceed my expectations.

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On 13/02/2017 at 2:24 PM, mhsellwood said:

So, release date.

  • 18th February preorder, 25th February on sale: Stormcast
  • 25th February preorder, 4th March on sale: Stormcast
  • 4th March preorder, 11th March on sale: Gathering Storm III, triumvirate box
  • 11th March on preorder, 18th March on sale: Shadows over Hammerhal
  • (these last two are based on the leaked White Dwarf and previous release dates for Gathering Storm books).
  • 18th March preorder: Duardin probably a two week slot.

 

So Shadows over Hammerhal has already been released, but in the new White Dwarf the pre-order for 11th March is MkIII Marines and Tartoros Terminators. So... still not impossible that 18th March is Duardin.

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Holy Christ, im so excited to see what comes here. My number 1 wish is that allow synergy across the new faction and the Fyreslayres. Im a Fyreslayers player and love the fact that downward pts scoring is being looked at to help their competitiveness. I hope they do a book with overarching artefacts for both steamhead/dispossessed and Fyreslayers, as you already said - key word Duardin totally gets around this issue. The Fyreslayers are awesome and I love them dearly but they do feel like just one half of something when compared to much more fleshed out forces i.e. Sylvaneth, Tzeentch etc

 

The days cant pass quickly enough, lets hope that 18th March prediction is true. Steam, cogs, mech, hi-tech, robots, blimps, jetpacks, maybe a monocle or two...all wrapped up in a 3ft Duardin package...did I already say I cant wait??! 

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I am really excited to see what happens with these guys. If the release has the support that Tzeentch did I can see myself dropping a bundle on them. On an aesthetic level I am hoping they have some variety within the models as the fyreslayers range didn't do much for me as they look far too alike apart from the magmadroth.
I honestly would have thought we would have had more to go on by now in the way of leaked pictures, however GW seem to be keeping it locked up for the time being.


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I am excited in large part because AoS allows me to look at cool new units of stunties and add them here an there to other "armies" I have. I don't have to buy 2000 points (or whatever) of the new thing to be able to have fun with it. 

If there is a cool golem kit, I can get it and add it to my stormcasts. If I like a unit of the new Duardin Skyforgers, I can pop a unit into my Sylvaneth as support. 

I get to add cool new stuff piecemeal, which I never could do before.  Man, GW has really nailed it.

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While I am certain it is Steamhead Duardin the picture does have me stumped. Mostly its the grey area  opposite the bloodthirster's horn. The shape looks either like the hull of a ship, though slightly odd in dimensions with the round part on top. I am also wondering if it is a 'face' and they are supposed to be looking 'eye to eye' meaning it is more of a giant walker akin to the knights of 40k. Its hard to tell from the snippet of the image but the construct has some interesting angles to it.

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On 28.02.2017 at 5:30 AM, Sleboda said:

What? Stunties admitting that Skaven are the true tech masters? :)

Yeah, why not. If there is place for four (five?) chaos gods, several orruks and aelves factions i believe there is room for two high-tech factions (at least regarding warhammer world).

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Lady Atia hinted that it was a Cute Robot over on War of Sigmar....and she's usually in the know.

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Cute robo-thing hype.

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I can see alot (lot lot lot lot lot lot lot) people using it as base for 30k/40k Squats. Similiar to Ironjawz for nice big 30k Orks :)

 

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