Thomas Lyons Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Tokyo Nift said: I don't think you can summon brimstones? I think you can only summon pinks? Would be interested to know though cuz this is a good strat. No, you can't. That said, you could do a swap and only 1 model needs to be shared in the swap so you could reasonably daisy chain 30 Brimstone Horrors across the board in this way and really gum up movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth00055 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Here is my take on The Host Duplicitous/Changehost at 2K points: Allegiance: TzeentchLeaders Lord Of Change (300) Lord Of Change (300) The Changeling (140) The Blue Scribes (120) Herald Of Tzeentch (120)- Staff of Change Gaunt Summoner (100)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120)Battalions Changehost (60) The Hosts Duplicitous (50)Scenery Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lyons Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sephiroth00055 said: Here is my take on The Host Duplicitous/Changehost at 2K points: Allegiance: TzeentchLeaders Lord Of Change (300) Lord Of Change (300) The Changeling (140) The Blue Scribes (120) Herald Of Tzeentch (120)- Staff of Change Gaunt Summoner (100)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120)Battalions Changehost (60) The Hosts Duplicitous (50)Scenery Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 2000/2000 So, like, how is it killing things? With magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Nift Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sephiroth00055 said: Here is my take on The Host Duplicitous/Changehost at 2K points: Allegiance: TzeentchLeaders Lord Of Change (300) Lord Of Change (300) The Changeling (140) The Blue Scribes (120) Herald Of Tzeentch (120)- Staff of Change Gaunt Summoner (100)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120)Battalions Changehost (60) The Hosts Duplicitous (50)Scenery Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 2000/2000 It feels like this is (with a little wiggle room) the list that everyone has settled on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Nift Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Thomas Lyons said: So, like, how is it killing things? With magic? I played this list last night basically, we rolled the battleplan where heroes only can take objectives, and with the changeling and swaps and destiny dice I turn-oned two of his characters, and then it was a straightforward win. But I want to know how this list does versus things that aren't weak to mortal wound burst, like death or nurgle daemon lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth00055 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So, I have played a smaller points version of this list and it really boils down to keeping your heroes safe. Mortal wounds can take down pretty much everything in the game. You just have to be smart with where you apply them. You mostly use them to pick on the smaller weaker characters and sometimes use them to burst down monsters. I have played all of my games with the assumption that you can use DD on the damage for mortal wounds. Also the simulacra spell can really put a hurt on certain units. (Big blobs of Zombies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Quote I played this list last night basically, we rolled the battleplan where heroes only can take objectives, and with the changeling and swaps and destiny dice I turn-oned two of his characters, and then it was a straightforward win. But I want to know how this list does versus things that aren't weak to mortal wound burst, like death or nurgle daemon lists. Interesting. As you hint at, this is a very favourable battleplan for this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Sephiroth00055 said: Here is my take on The Host Duplicitous/Changehost at 2K points: Allegiance: TzeentchLeaders Lord Of Change (300) Lord Of Change (300) The Changeling (140) The Blue Scribes (120) Herald Of Tzeentch (120)- Staff of Change Gaunt Summoner (100)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (120)Battalions Changehost (60) The Hosts Duplicitous (50)Scenery Balewind Vortex (100)Total: 2000/2000 So for someone looking to get into sigmar as a competitive alternative to other games, is that a good list to go out and buy as a starting point. No time or spare money to be wasted with excessive play testing unfortunately, so need something as a good spine to work from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's the only real competitive battalion...my magically inclined friends and gentlemen....we found DoT's 'Warrior Brotherhood'. As cool as all the new stuff is and as much as we all want to role a Mortal list the daemon side is hands down the strongest and most competitive. And now with the re-release of Stormcast we will want that auto-fail spell more then ever. All the daemon battalions are just better. They are even better then the new Stormcast ones. As much as I want to field all the Tzaangors, having 2 melee LoC with magic support will crush or seriously cripple everything. Also to keep things competitive it's also a 1 drop battalion. If we can't make a 1-3 drop list then you must be prepared to take a early beat down. I like the Galrauch version myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, Malakithe said: It's the only real competitive battalion...my magically inclined friends and gentlemen....we found DoT's 'Warrior Brotherhood'. As cool as all the new stuff is and as much as we all want to role a Mortal list the daemon side is hands down the strongest and most competitive. And now with the re-release of Stormcast we will want that auto-fail spell more then ever. All the daemon battalions are just better. They are even better then the new Stormcast ones. As much as I want to field all the Tzaangors, having 2 melee LoC with magic support will crush or seriously cripple everything. Also to keep things competitive it's also a 1 drop battalion. If we can't make a 1-3 drop list then you must be prepared to take a early beat down. I like the Galrauch version myself. Would you fancy breaking down the basic tactic, intentions etc of this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 And where/what / who is Galrauch? Don't recognise the name from my WFB days and can't see the name in the DoT's battletomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 He is a old one. In the app under Warriors of Chaos. I've been thinking of swapping him for some other stuff thou...I wonder how a soul grinder could benefit or a beefy Daemon Prince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ah yeah the two headed dragon. What about tactics for this list, how would you expect it to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The norm is Changeling in the enemy zone for potential unit swaps and harassing. The Horrors are the walls and if they do dmg that's a bonus. The heavy hitting will come from the 2 LoC and Galrauch. All 3 of them can cast 2 spells each. Buff one each turn and send them forth to smash. The Herald and scribes are there as mobile buff platforms mostly. Swap units where you need new walls and use that debuff on the enemy heavy hitters like buffed Retributors and Frostlord using battle brew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz84 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yea, So Brimstones have to be deployed in my 1k list. Not too bad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbeardboss Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 i was looking at galrauch because i have an unopened one and he doesnt look good. his spell is nice but his shooting is short range and his combat isnt good for a dragon. he casts 2 spells but so does a gaunt summoner at only 100 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 How many extra blue horrors and brimstone horrors would you say is needed with this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, redbeardboss said: i was looking at galrauch because i have an unopened one and he doesnt look good. his spell is nice but his shooting is short range and his combat isnt good for a dragon. he casts 2 spells but so does a gaunt summoner at only 100 points. His spell is strong though, 1 attack from each model. Is nothing to be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Could you not put Fateweaver in there instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 You could if you want. I'd prefer more melee beat sticks since those monsters are the only real damage output. And his personal spell is waaaay better then the book version. Once buffed with +1 move and attack he will charge in and wreck everything. Problem is finding a model thou. There will be plenty of spare parts from 2 LoC kits to do some conversion work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldercaveman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Malakithe said: You could if you want. I'd prefer more melee beat sticks since those monsters are the only real damage output. And his personal spell is waaaay better then the book version. Once buffed with +1 move and attack he will charge in and wreck everything. Problem is finding a model thou. There will be plenty of spare parts from 2 LoC kits to do some conversion work It's very unlike GW to have rules but no model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, Malakithe said: You could if you want. I'd prefer more melee beat sticks since those monsters are the only real damage output. And his personal spell is waaaay better then the book version. Once buffed with +1 move and attack he will charge in and wreck everything. Problem is finding a model thou. There will be plenty of spare parts from 2 LoC kits to do some conversion work make one from two black dragons the dark elves have, some green stuff an some cutting does the job great. i had one as a chaos dragon before i sold it at the start of AOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Eldercaveman said: It's very unlike GW to have rules but no model. The entirety of Tomb Kings and Bretonian model ranges are in the same boat. Also Vampire Lord on Abbysal Terror, and several "legacy" special characters in many factions. There are actually quite a few models in this boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Quote i was looking at galrauch because i have an unopened one and he doesnt look good. his spell is nice but his shooting is short range and his combat isnt good for a dragon. he casts 2 spells but so does a gaunt summoner at only 100 points. If he makes it into the GH v2 and is redeemed from Compendium status, that would be a good thing. There's a big hole for Chaos Dragons. It's a very pricey glass cannon - would be wonderful as a sideboard option against Ironjawz or Khorne with no way to reach him over a line of 20 Bravery 10 Brimstones dancing joyously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_bridges Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 What are people's opinion of the multitudinous host? Been thinking of this list Lord of change Shaman on disc Shaman on disc Shaman on disc Herald of tzeentch 10 pink horrors 10 pink horrors 10 pink horrors 10 blue horrors 10 blue horrors 10 blue horrors 10 blue horrors 10 brimstone horrors 9 skyfires Multitudious host Arcanite cabal 2000 points. Not one drop but replenishing horrors each hero phase and the chance to split into under strength units for them too could be hard to deal with. Plus 8 wizards and skyfires could be cool. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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