Paul_Veyne Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 @daedalus81 I came up with something very similar during my lunch break yesterday. I hadn't had time to get around recording game results, tournament results. I think there would be some complexity on how tournament scoring would be reflected but might have a chance at looking at it some point. There could be a load of cool functionality not just for tournament organisers but players to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimblaze Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thinking I might create something, for fun, got a Warhammer domain name and hosting I'm not really using - it's a good project and a chance to play around / learn a few things - thinking: Angular frontend with .net backend sitting on a SQL db.Will put the code on GitHub so we can all play / contribute . Though away this weekend for my cousin's stag-do. So will have to start this up next week.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlySarcasm Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Bens literally asking for a web form that formats input and sends an email, some of the solutions people are talking about here are massively overcomplicting the brief given. JavaScript web form, PHP to format and send, that's it. Any developer worth his salt can get that working in less than half a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, DeadlySarcasm said: Bens literally asking for a web form that formats input and sends an email, some of the solutions people are talking about here are massively overcomplicting the brief given. JavaScript web form, PHP to format and send, that's it. Any developer worth his salt can get that working in less than half a day Well, he wants reporting and other features, too which requires a lot of backend support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovaks Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I would 2nd or 3rd what has been said about Best Coast Pairings, that would probably allow you to do what you want and if interested become part of ITC which is leaving AOS alone for the next year, so no down side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I'd rather see an agnostic tool. I get the feeling that ITC hasn't created a great 40K community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartsocks Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 hours ago, DeadlySarcasm said: Bens literally asking for a web form that formats input and sends an email, some of the solutions people are talking about here are massively overcomplicting the brief given. JavaScript web form, PHP to format and send, that's it. Any developer worth his salt can get that working in less than half a day You're right, an app that just sends the list that the user typed in is easy. But do you want that? People could type in any old rubbish, like saying they have an Archaon at 20 points, or a hero with 17 artifacts. You'd need logic to verify all these things are correct. And you'd need to input all the unit names and points costs etc, and keep that updated when new models are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartsocks Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 By the way, the scrollbuilder app exports armies as base64 encoded json. Or at least it converts that to a bit.ly link which you can manually get and paste in. If you could make use of that, I'm sure Tony would be up for adding an export button to make it easier to import your army into this new app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrollbuilderdude Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I've sent Ben an email. Hopefully we can figure out the best way to integrate Warscroll Builder with whichever tool gets created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hi guys, I want to give a massive thank you to everyone that has had an input on this so far. I've had some amazing offers on this project so wanted to post a bit of an update and some more of my way of thinking on this. The main driver is that I want to create an awesome tool for the community and solve what is a big time sink for event organisers while also providing a really cool resource for the players as a result of fixing that problem. The 2nd major factor is that I want to own it myself and use it as a cool feature of the TGA community and a way to grow both this community and also AoS worldwide. It can be used as a tool to help TO's run events and also spread the word about other events. That rules out Best Coast pairing (which i'm sure is a great app but not what I want or need) I've had some offers of a paid job (great! This gets things done quickly and has an amount of accountability to ensure the project is completed to the right level and the right timeframe), i've also had offers of doing it for free (this is is amazing, people wanting to do this for the love of the hobby probably ends up being a better project that one that has been commissioned due to what can gee achieved for the price) So where I am at now is I think the best way to go at this is to get a bunch of interested people commenting in here about this app. We can have some discussions about what I would like to see, how you guys interested in helping can forsee it being possible and then have a look at how it can be executed. It may be that I can get a hive mind of hobby team Devs to create a spec/brief that I then commission, or it could turn out that someone can take that brief and build it to my spec. What does everyone think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I'll see if I can make a wireframe, db design, and throw it up onto google docs or something for people to toss around tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimblaze Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hi all, I was away over the weekend, just wanted to see if there has been any further movement on this? Do we want to get a list of people together who are willing to help with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Oh yea almost forgot...crazy at work. Here is a wireframe of what I think Ben is looking for in regards to features. It is very simplified so even more detailing would be required to get the appropriate interactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimblaze Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Cool, I like what you've done, just wondering if we need to be aware of mobile devices and responsive design. Is it worth taking a step back and getting together some user stories/epics from Ben and other people to make sure the concept achieves everything it is meant to, setup a team of people who can help and work in an agile method? "A user story is a very high-level definition of a requirement, containing just enough information so that the developers can produce a reasonable estimate of the effort to implement it" http://www.romanpichler.com/blog/10-tips-writing-good-user-stories/ For example - do we expect people to register for the site before submitting a list - if so, what's the steps to register, are new users approved by an admin, what user details are captured, does the password need to follow any complexity polices, etc - and this is just for registering a user. Does anyone know of any good/free (and not complex) agile tools? I found this and created a board: https://tree.taiga.io/project/grimblaze-warhammeralst/kanban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Yea it should be very responsive - moving some of the items that sit outside the core of the page into the header would make it easier to code for that. The document is on lucid charts and I can open it up to edit to specific people (don't want the world in there). That is if it at least fits some of the goals and is a worthwhile starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burscheid Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 On 2/16/2017 at 11:19 AM, Grimblaze said: Cool, I like what you've done, just wondering if we need to be aware of mobile devices and responsive design. Is it worth taking a step back and getting together some user stories/epics from Ben and other people to make sure the concept achieves everything it is meant to, setup a team of people who can help and work in an agile method? "A user story is a very high-level definition of a requirement, containing just enough information so that the developers can produce a reasonable estimate of the effort to implement it" http://www.romanpichler.com/blog/10-tips-writing-good-user-stories/ For example - do we expect people to register for the site before submitting a list - if so, what's the steps to register, are new users approved by an admin, what user details are captured, does the password need to follow any complexity polices, etc - and this is just for registering a user. Does anyone know of any good/free (and not complex) agile tools? I found this and created a board: https://tree.taiga.io/project/grimblaze-warhammeralst/kanban We use jira at work for our Kanban / agile / bug tracking. It's not free but its super cheap if you have a small dev community working on a project, i want to say like 10 bucks a month or something like that. -burscheid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 We use Github, perhaps appropriately named Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartsocks Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We'd also need to decide what language/framework/whatever it would be written in, and what kind of hosting it'd need (which might affect the language). Rails seems like it'd be good for this, but of course if nobody knows rails, then perhaps not. I've only used it a tiny bit, but it has plugins which handle user registration etc pretty well without putting in too much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 PHP has loads of frameworks that handle these sorts of things and is quite common. Digital Ocean is also one of the best hosting services out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimblaze Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'd say the platform / programming language would mainly be dictated by the skill sets of the developers who can volunteer their time for this project. I think we might be at a point where we want to put together a list of people who can give up sometime to help with this project and setup a slack or group to discuss the plan moving forward. Who's up for getting involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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