Goodwin Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yep, so it makes the Silver Tower stuff not really worth it as you'll already have the models who died, to replenish and spending 180 points to summon/devolve/evolve/create d3 or so guys just isn't worth it. Edit: Assuming you are talking about Matched Play. They could still obviously be used in Open Play. But not sure if anyone does that anymore. ;p Edit: @Malakithe Thanks for the suggestions on the list. I may look into that when I go no-LoC. I'm liking the idea of running 6 Skyfires and then when ****** goes badly, casting... uh that Fold spell to regenerate d6 or die. Could be a real F you to anyone who thinks they are almost dead. That said, I'm a little worried about a Slaughterpriest. I used to not fear their "pull" because you couldn't force a character to move through his own guys. With all of our flying characters, I'm really worried about having a Shaman dragged 16+d6 inches to its death! Any safe guards? Or just stay outa range? Is the Fatemaster or an LoC a safe bet to launch into an enemy line with that 2x Movement spell to remove threats like this? Sorry, don't have book handy for the spell names! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just out of interest. How does using marauders or varanguard who don't have the Tzeentch Keyword until they are on the field of battle affect the allegiance abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 46 minutes ago, ravman said: Just out of interest. How does using marauders or varanguard who don't have the Tzeentch Keyword until they are on the field of battle affect the allegiance abilities? All Chaos units other than varanguard are given the keyword for deployment purposes and list building. Varanguard need archaon for it. It was faq'd to reaffirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Probably going to end up doing something like this to start with:Leaders Lord Of Change (300) Tzaangor Shaman (120) Tzaangor Shaman (120) Tzaangor Shaman (120)Battleline 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) 10 x Tzaangors (180)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 10 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (40) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)Battalions Arcanite Cabal (50) Witchfyre Coven (60) The Pyrofane Cult (80)Total: 2000/2000 Afterwards I would like to go more into the Tzaangor side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Why all the tzaangor shamans out of interest? Would it not be better to get a mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Soulsmith said: Why all the tzaangor shamans out of interest? Would it not be better to get a mix? Well, in my list at least: 1. The fatemaster is out, unless I drop another unit, due to being more expensive. 2. The Shamans are FAR more mobile than the Magisters (16" fly vs. 6" walk). 3. The Shamans have an extra wound over the Magisters. 4. The Shaman model looks alot better than the Magister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Yeah I was going to run Magister or Fatemaster but the Shamans benefit from the Cabal more then Fatemaster, are faster and can buff all the Tzaangor just by being near them. They also can pop that vial for two spells a turn. Three if it technically can stack with Cabal benefit, which based on the wording makes me think they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 15 hours ago, AverageBoss said: Probably going to end up doing something like this to start with:Leaders Lord Of Change (300) Tzaangor Shaman (120) Tzaangor Shaman (120) Tzaangor Shaman (120)Battleline 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) 10 x Tzaangors (180)Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 10 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (40) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)Battalions Arcanite Cabal (50) Witchfyre Coven (60) The Pyrofane Cult (80)Total: 2000/2000 Afterwards I would like to go more into the Tzaangor side of things. The shooting is real... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Other than theLord of change, is there any good heroes to take with a good command ability? The only tzeentch hero i can think that has one is the fatemaster. And that incredibly unreliable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Lord on Daemonic Mount, Lord of Chaos and Lord on Chimera are other options. None of them are top tier command abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkBlack Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 The Lord with mark of Tzeentch can give a Tzeentch unit reroll saves of one. which is... nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moarhammer Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 So how's this for a sneaky idea: Fatemaster as your general. If part of an Arcanite Cabal, great because he can recycle destiny dice. Because he has the daemon keyword, give him the aether-teather command trait, then the windshief charm. First turn, cast mystic shield on him, fire up the windshief and slam him into the front of your opponents army, preferably into a unit you really need to hold up. Unless it can fly, you've got a 2+ rerollable save, even against anything with rend -1. Using destiny dice you could almost entirely ensure survival for at least a few turns and tie up a big chunk of the enemy army. He won't do much damage, but super tanky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Moarhammer said: So how's this for a sneaky idea: Fatemaster as your general. If part of an Arcanite Cabal, great because he can recycle destiny dice. Because he has the daemon keyword, give him the aether-teather command trait, then the windshief charm. First turn, cast mystic shield on him, fire up the windshief and slam him into the front of your opponents army, preferably into a unit you really need to hold up. Unless it can fly, you've got a 2+ rerollable save, even against anything with rend -1. Using destiny dice you could almost entirely ensure survival for at least a few turns and tie up a big chunk of the enemy army. He won't do much damage, but super tanky. Gets rekt hard by mortal wounds though. Running him into your enemy lines will all but garauntee his death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moarhammer Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, Arkiham said: Gets rekt hard by mortal wounds though. Running him into your enemy lines will all but garauntee his death Oh yeah, he'll die. But still has a 4+ against spells, and with a 32" move you can pick your fight to avoid mortal wounds. If he ties up a massive block of brutes, for example, he's doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laperamargarita Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, Moarhammer said: So how's this for a sneaky idea: Fatemaster as your general. If part of an Arcanite Cabal, great because he can recycle destiny dice. Because he has the daemon keyword, give him the aether-teather command trait, then the windshief charm. First turn, cast mystic shield on him, fire up the windshief and slam him into the front of your opponents army, preferably into a unit you really need to hold up. Unless it can fly, you've got a 2+ rerollable save, even against anything with rend -1. Using destiny dice you could almost entirely ensure survival for at least a few turns and tie up a big chunk of the enemy army. He won't do much damage, but super tanky. Hi, I had the same idea but with incorporeal form. But the idea it is the same. You can stop one big unit for a few turns while shooting to the rest of the army. And if your opponent has long range units like jezzail, cannons or so he can catch em in the first turn. My idea with disciples it's to stop units with charriots, fatemaster or crimson horrors while the rest of the army shoots and throw magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Moarhammer said: Oh yeah, he'll die. But still has a 4+ against spells, and with a 32" move you can pick your fight to avoid mortal wounds. If he ties up a massive block of brutes, for example, he's doing a great job. I'm sticking with the ogroid tank setup for now. Slower, but way more durable. The downside is relying on a spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 55 minutes ago, daedalus81 said: I'm sticking with the ogroid tank setup for now. Slower, but way more durable. The downside is relying on a spell. This is a Tzeentch army...if your not fully relying on spells your doing it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changer Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Here's an interesting thing. The new white dwarf has a large open out picture of stormcast (with a mix of stormcast types) vs Tzeentch. The Tzeentch force includes Arcanites and Daemons... and a Mutalith Vortex Beast!! A sign of things to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changer Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Also, looks like Stormcast are getting a big battalion that allows them to ignore spells on a 3+... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodwin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Can't Stormcast already deepstrike within 3" or something? So they'd also ignore spells on 3+? Fffffff we ded! Though hopefully those battalions won't overlap or something. The Mutalith does seem like after the writers pushed Print one was probably like "Waaaaiit we forgot one!" For assembly; are you guys magnetizing your disc riders? They seem like they are going to be annoying to store and transport, but their little feets may not be big enough to stick a magnet in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevvermore Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 36 minutes ago, Goodwin said: Can't Stormcast already deepstrike within 3" or something? So they'd also ignore spells on 3+? Fffffff we ded! Though hopefully those battalions won't overlap or something. The Mutalith does seem like after the writers pushed Print one was probably like "Waaaaiit we forgot one!" For assembly; are you guys magnetizing your disc riders? They seem like they are going to be annoying to store and transport, but their little feets may not be big enough to stick a magnet in? Magnetising the flame under the disc would probably be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Changer said: Also, looks like Stormcast are getting a big battalion that allows them to ignore spells on a 3+... Knew they were going to slam DoT with this new book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Soulsmith said: Knew they were going to slam DoT with this new book. Hey chaos like all them spells you get ? Nope. No magic for you. What has gw got against spells for it to always garner such hatred ? It's no different to a artillery piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Arkiham said: Hey chaos like all them spells you get ? Nope. No magic for you. What has gw got against spells for it to always garner such hatred ? It's no different to a artillery piece I get Stormcast being central to the plot of AoS for now, but do they really have to pamper them to make sure they will always be top tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Changer said: Also, looks like Stormcast are getting a big battalion that allows them to ignore spells on a 3+... Where did you see that? We haven't even had time to shine yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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