Multiple damage weapons

[Malin]

Hi,

just a quick question, as wording in the rule is not clear for me.

 

I have unit of ten models, each have 1 wound only:

- it is attacked by enemy with a weapon which causes 2 damage,

- it was hit and wounded,

- i failed save

Question here - I take 2 models off of the board?

 

I play that way, but asking just to be sure it is the correct way.

 

Regards

Malin

[Knight of Ruin]

Yes that is correct.

[amysrevenge]

Old edition hangover.  We all have various ones.

[Andreas]

Thank you! 

That is how I have read it but I have played people that say roll one dice. Not that it makes that much difference.

[amysrevenge]

Two dice

[Andreas]

Yes the fyreslayer ones. Or that type of ward saves, fyreslayer, savage orruks, illuminark, warshrine, nurgle resilient, pheonix guard etc..

The ones that reads "every time the unit takes a wound or mortal wound roll a dice and on a 6 the wound is ignored".
Do you roll before or after damage mulipliers. If i get hit by an ogor and fail my regular save, do I roll one or two dice?

[Knight of Ruin]

What i am saying, is that it really depends on the warscroll.

Some have saves that get done immediately after a failed save (hit, wound, save, ward, damage), others have it once specific models take wounds (hit, wound, save, damage, ward).

is there a particular warscroll you are thinking about?

[Andreas]

Hmm that specific example got me even more confused. Are you saying that you play that a unsaved wound becomes a mortal wound.

Lets make it easy ogor hits a savage orruk. Whats the order?

[Knight of Ruin]

Depends on the wording of the rule.

 

Chaos runeshields for example activate each time you take a mortal wound. As such i interpretate that as after damage multipliers.

[Andreas]

Just a quick question regarding damage, are "ward saves" done after damage multiplier?

1 hit
2 wound
3 save
4 damage
5 ward save

[BaldoBeardo]

Following the steps properly is vital in some instances; for example, the Necrosphinx takes half damage when allocating wounds. Doing damage etc. one attack at a time would almost negate that rule entirely.

[Terry Pike]

The damage is all applied at the end of the combat. If you are attacked by a unit that has 2 different attacks for example, do the all the attacks of the first weapons profile, do all the relevant damage steps and then just put some wound markers down noting how many wounds have been done, use dice or gems etc. Then do the second weapons attack profile, same again with damage, once its all been multipled out for damage 2, 3, D3, D6 add it to the wounds already done. total it up and then remove the number of models that would have died.

Say you took 7 damage total against a unit of 5 Liberators, you would remove 3 dudes and 1 wound would carry over on to the next model

[Dez]

Thanks Doc! It's been a while, and I thought I had understood it differently because of some videos I had watched when AoS first came out. That makes Mawkrushas much better than I thought!

[Dr_Keenbean]

12 minutes ago, Dez said:

So saves aren't taken per model and then damage applied to that model? 

For instance, a Stormcast with 2 wounds fails a save and 3 damage are dealt. The extra wound wouldn't disappear, it would be applied to another model?

The damage is being done to the unit, not individual models so 1 Stormcast would die and another in the unit would suffer 1 wound.

[amysrevenge]

Right - saves are taken by a unit, not by a model.

You'll notice that in the small number of units where some models might have shields and some might not, the rules are set up to still make it work.  For Liberators, for instance, where one guy has a Grandhammer and no shield but the rest of the unit has shields, their shield reroll ability applies "if any models in the unit have a shield".  For Ardboys, where some guys might have shields and some might not, the shield doesn't affect the normal save and instead gives a "ward" save after normal saves are made and damage is allocated.

[Shane]

Yes.

Models don't count. 

You roll saves against each wound. Each wound not saved causes X damage. Total damage. Apply to unit (ensuring one whole model is removed at a time).

[Dez]

So saves aren't taken per model and then damage applied to that model? 

For instance, a Stormcast with 2 wounds fails a save and 3 damage are dealt. The extra wound wouldn't disappear, it would be applied to another model?

[APH]

For example,

1 Attack at 2 Damage represents a heavy swing that can smash aside two enemies in one blow, like a scythe.

2 Attacks at 1 Damage represents two fast swings against one enemy each, like a dagger.