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Do you think Malerion will share a battletome with Morathi?


Do you think Malerion will share a battletome with Morathi?  

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  1. 1. Do you think Malerion will share a battletome with Morathi? Or do you think he'll get his own tome/faction and DoK will remain a separate faction?

    • Malerion's faction will be on their own
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    • Malerion and DoK will merge into one battletome, Shadow Aelves basically
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    • Malerion will never actually come out
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1 hour ago, Zappgrot said:

Tbh i think the grand alliance concept should just die. It does not matter. 

I 100% agree with this. Give us an ally matrix and let each force be its own thing. They all got something going for them and it's obvious that some of them get along reasonably well. 👍

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I have to disagree with this take. I like the Grand Alliance formatting. It would be nice to see Death and Destruction expanded. I like the 9-order factions the setting has and would be happy to see a 10th added in time (Halfings!) 

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4 hours ago, Zappgrot said:

Tbh i think the grand alliance concept should just die. It does not matter. 

I honestly thought that was where they were going with the whole 'Broken Realms' thing at the end of 2nd edition.  Chaos breaking up with Be'Lakor going against Archaon and the appearance of the Slaaneshi twins tipping the power balance between the gods leading to increased rivalry between them.  Nagash and Arkhan off the table allowing the death factions to drift apart while soulblight in particular collapses into a civil war between Mannfred and Neferata.  Morathi betraying Sigmar to claim her own godhood, and with it taking control of one or more of the Cities.  Destruction... well, destruction was never actually presented as any kind of alliance to begin with, part of the problem I had with their lack of a unifying ethos.

Not only were all the factions dividing against themselves, we were also starting to see some cross-faction alliances, particularly with Be'Lakor and Olynder, but arguably also with Morathi and Slaanesh - even if that cooperation seemed accidental on the surface.

So yeah, I thought we were moving to a future where the Grand Alliances weren't really a thing and anybody might end up fighting against or teaming up with anybody else.

But nothing came of it.  The rules for alliances/allies may be mostly gone, but narratively they're as entrenched as ever.  Be'Lakor's rebellion against Archaon never came, and as of the Skavendoom Chaos is more united, and Archaon's dominion over it more secure, than in 1e even.  Sigmar & Morathi's feud fizzled out into nothing.  The only 'grand alliance' that remained divided is Death, but even then the divisions haven't really manifested in any appreciable way in the narrative.  The only time we really got to see Death in 3rd was during the dawnbringer campaign, and while in theory it showed a bunch of plots operating against each other - OBR holding Ushoran and his followers prisoner, Morathi manipulating and taking advantage of them, Ushoran taking advantage of the Dawnbringers to get rid of both impediments to his free action -  in practice it was still showing OBR, FEC, and SG working together, with events of the campaign implying that now that alliance had fallen apart, but that's the same implication we were left with at the end of broken realms back in 2nd edition so it's hard to give it any more credit now.

For an entire edition, Mannfred and Neferata have been at open war with each other, and it hasn't impacted anything or been visible at all.

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So anyway, yeah, I'm not a big fan of the grand alliances either, but as much as GW's writers keep implying they're barely holding together and always on the brink of falling apart, they're also a core part of the marketing of the game so I think we're just stuck with them forever, over-bloated 'Order' and meaningless, directionless 'Destruction' included.

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16 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

They do withe the Ulgu elves the same thing they seem to be doing with Warclans and IJ/KB. One BT, two factions, and you get an Army of Renown that lets you combine both.

This is basically what I would expect, though I do feel it's a bit of a silly way to handle things.

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4 hours ago, Sception said:

This is basically what I would expect, though I do feel it's a bit of a silly way to handle things.

I don't know if it's silly. To me, it seems more like the best course of action. If you're planning to have an Army of Renown that's combining 2 armies, I'd rather have those same 2 armies in the same BT. Imagine if it wasn't the case, you'd have to buy a 2nd BT to use the AoR, and I don't like that at all. I'd rather keep all the warscrolls in one same book.

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14 hours ago, Sception said:

Be'Lakor's rebellion against Archaon never came, and as of the Skavendoom Chaos is more united, and Archaon's dominion over it more secure, than in 1e even.

Up until Belakor’s war with him goes hot and the Skaven stab him in the back (Which they’ve already begun doing)

 

14 hours ago, Sception said:

that now that alliance had fallen apart

It did- Except that’s not the entirety of the OBR or likely even a full-strength Legion, let alone one of the named Legions, and the Kingsblood shipments became controlled by Ushoran, not Neferata, allowing him to spread his own goals. It doesn’t really affect anyone else in the Alliance because they either didn’t know it was a thing, or didn’t give a flying ****** about Sekhar’s lot. It’s a sideplot to a sidetrack, not something particularly noteworthy. 

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I have mixed feelings. On one hand, there are quite a few armies that could have been grouped into a single battletome, yet they have their own separate books. On the other hand, DoK is still one of the smallest armies, with no prospects for expansion.

 

I suspect that Morathi and Malerion factions will have more in common both in terms lore and aesthetics, so a shared battletome seems reasonable.

My only real complaint with GW is how much they're delaying the release of Malerion. Back in the WFB days, Dark Elves had a lot of fans. Meanwhile, over the years, they've received nothing but a few models for DoK. In that time, we've seen the release of Kruleboyz or Idoneth Deepkin, which no one really missed or asked for (since they didn’t exist before) (don't get me wrong, I like both and have their miniatures), or even a niche faction from WFB like Chorfs.

 

Maybe I shouldn’t complain, because a similar thing happened to an even more popular army, the Skavens. Still, the bad taste remains.

 

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On 10/2/2024 at 7:54 PM, Red Bull said:

Curious where everyone stands on this. Personally, I think they will merge the Shadow Elves under one tome. The God of Shadows and the Shadow Queen. Umbraneth or whatever GW decides to call them

Easy answer. Yes.

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On 10/3/2024 at 4:05 PM, mojojojo101 said:

My preference would be that they have their own battletome.

Putting the 3 Ork armies (or the 2 Ogor armies) in one book didnt really do any of them any favours.

The only real reason to Have Morathi and Malerion in the same book is because they were in WHFB which I think is an extremely weak reason.

Because both of them are the Ulgu leaders, so their cultures are similar, and to avoid the Battletome creep are, IMO, reason enough for this.

If they made it with the KB launch, there's no reason to think this would be different.

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On 10/4/2024 at 7:16 PM, Hollow said:

However, small thematic, aesthetic, lore and customer expectations issues exist. Logistics are about serving the setting, system and customer expectations. The CoS range was a dumping ground for old WHFB kits that had no home, as you well know, putting Malerion in with CoS makes no sense in any regard. 

The only thing I can see staying in CoS once Malerion rises is the Scourge Privateers. That's basically most of the CoS navy.

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