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1 hour ago, Beliman said:

So, another question that I'm not sure waht to think:

  • So, if two rules contradict each other, the Cannot pass over the Can:
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  • Assault Boat has a Charge keyword, can be used with Counter-Charge, but the unit cannot use this ability if they previously used a RUN:
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So, that means that, if there is a cannot and can abilities contradicting itself, the cannon prevail and that I can't use Assault Boat after Brokk allow to use Charge abilities after Run abilities?

Take in mind that Charge doesn't have can or cannot.

IMO: There is no fundamental difference in the logic of the default Charge ability and Assault Boat that would justify Brokk's run and charge ability not working. "(You can) Pick a unit that has not run" and "You cannot pick this unit if it has run" are basically the same thing on a logical level. Forcing RAW here does not seem appropriate, especially since Brokk's Command the Fleet explicitly mentions "charge abilities", implying that it is supposed to not just be used with the default Charge.

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55 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

IMO: There is no fundamental difference in the logic of the default Charge ability and Assault Boat that would justify Brokk's run and charge ability not working. "(You can) Pick a unit that has not run" and "You cannot pick this unit if it has run" are basically the same thing on a logical level. Forcing RAW here does not seem appropriate, especially since Brokk's Command the Fleet explicitly mentions "charge abilities", implying that it is supposed to not just be used with the default Charge.

That's my thoughts too, but I want to be completely sure. I've played whit him as being allowed to charge, even if I only played with Brokk a few times.

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19 minutes ago, Beliman said:

That's my thoughts too, but I want to be completely sure. I've played whit him as being allowed to charge, even if I only played with Brokk a few times.

It's an FAQ question in my opinion, because I can see how you could argue that RAW does not allow this interaction. But I don't think it's clear enough to disallow the combo in general.

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It seems that most of tournament people agree in that it's not possible to do, ebcause explicity states "cannot > can or must" in the rules.

Time to ask GW, because I don't want to play AoS spamming Thunderers.

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2 hours ago, Beliman said:

It seems that most of tournament people agree in that it's not possible to do, ebcause explicity states "cannot > can or must" in the rules.

Time to ask GW, because I don't want to play AoS spamming Thunderers.

Do ask GW. I think they will probably come down on the side of allowing this interaction. Tournament communities tend to go by RAW, so it's understandable they would rule it the way they do, even though it is a very unintuitive and obscure rules interaction.

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