Price increase on GW Products (coming 7th March)

[Skreech Verminking]

Personally I don’t really care about the price rises, at least not yet.

the latest thing that I really need is a box of clanrats and stormvermin for conversion work,

and well some ogors for my idealistic 2000point ogor pirate mercenary list, which I will I’m probably going to buy before it gets more expensive.

considering that i don’t really buy brushes, glue, and tools from gw, I don’t think that there will be too much of a problem.

In the future it very likely will mean that I won’t be buying as many models as I would usually, since as a student, there is a certain limit I can spend.

And since everything is getting more expensive, thanks to the situation we had or are still in it, gw’s product, is probably the least problem for me.

For example going out for a drink, currently cost me around 5-6dollars per bottle/glass in a restaurant, not something I really enjoy, but then again this is our world, and considering that it covid, got us all pretty badly, in the end the power to buy Products (pr to trink and eat in a restaurant) lies with us.

Should the numbers of customers dwindle to a certain point, those producers might have to change their prices😉

[Durgin]

4 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Could anyone show some model sprues that match gw then? Love em or hate em they are technically waaaay ahead of their competitors. 

From a technical point, bandai kits (gunpla) are way better than GW ones. 

At the cost of a Riptide (85€), which contains 2 plastic sprues, I can grab the 

 

which is one of the most luxury lines of gunpla products: the level of engineering is incomparable, being the gunpla fully repositionable with many parts that can move (just the engineering of joints is something that GW simply can't do), the amount of sprues contained is almost 10 times the Riptide, the quality of plastic is huge (fewer mold lines, because of how the kit is divided into components), the dimension of the fully assembled kit is bigger and, if you are a lazy ass hobbyist, you don't even need to paint it.

This, just by comparing two equivalent products in their technical specs.

 

To show better, this is a sprue of a RG, basically the cheap line of gunplas:

an average RG kit contains A LOT of these sprues, and as you can see both the quality of plastic and the level of details is impressive and totally comparable to, for example, the Crisis Suits kit. The price, however, are way different.

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Durgin

[yukishiro1]

Yeah, some of the gunpla stuff is way better from a technical engineering point of view than GW. It's a really different sort of modeling though, I'm not sure you can directly compare them. 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by yukishiro1

[pnkdth]

6 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Could anyone show some model sprues that match gw then? Love em or hate em they are technically waaaay ahead of their competitors. 

I really like what Malifaux has to over. High quality and excellent detail. I do not limit myself to sprues (or plastic) though as I do not consider that a requirement for quality. I love infinity models, for example, and I'd question the sanity of anyone who would claim they don't produce high quality miniatures.

The reason why I do not think warhammer is a luxury product doesn't come down to their minis though (cause many of them are absolutely fantastic). It is all about the lack of properly tested rules, slooooow burn delivery, lack of quality assurance, terrible app for both AoS and 40k, and WH+ falls short of most youtubers. This ain't something new, I know, but that is also why I challenge the claim "GW is a luxury product" since they've embraced mediocrity in these areas.

I'm not a huge fan of the dichotomy of GW versus the world though. I prefer to look at all of it as a smorgasbord for us hobbyists.

[Durgin]

15 minutes ago, yukishiro1 said:

Yeah, some of the gunpla stuff is way better from a technical engineering point of view than GW. It's a really different sort of modeling though, I'm not sure you can directly compare them. 

 

 

well, if we talk about raw engineering power, we can compare them especially if we compare a classic Gundam kit with the T'au suits (that are obviously, a variation on the same theme).

Don't get me wrong: Gw plastic kits are awesome.

But simply they are not the best plastic kits on the market, at least if we talk about technical specs. What, in my opinion, we should consider is that GW plastic kits cost a huge amount of money, if we look at the ratio £ per sprue.

I mean, if we took an average bandai kit, and we apply to it the same price ratio of GW kits, they would cost 3-400€ each ^-^"

 

[Lord Krungharr]

But consider all the free healthcare in the UK that the greater GW prices can bring to their people!

Thus, inflation should help the US get single-payer healthcare installed with 3 years 🙄

[sandlemad]

I think the gunpla question kind of touches on what @EccentricCircle pointed out, that it depends on what you’re evaluating things on. Gunpla by design doesn’t go for e.g. organic surfaces in the same fashion as GW kits, and I’d agree that in some ways the experience of working with them is a different one, often with different rewards and context for what you’re getting out of it.

That being said, measuring on many technical metrics, it really is astounding how even older Gunpla kits they leave GW stuff in the dust when it comes to plastic technology, sprue layout, finely engineered moving parts, mixed colours, QA, etc. and all for considerably less than your average GW example. Maybe it’s apples and oranges to a degree (though they’re both fruit, they’re both roundish, etc) but to my mind it does firmly stomp on the idea of GW as a high-end luxury product.

More ‘this is expensive so it’s luxury -> it’s luxury so it’s expensive’ as a cycle that GW repeats about its products. Jewel-like objects of wonder and all that.

(at the risk of getting off topic and putting aside the wider context of rules and gaming, I think every lifelong GW aficionado owes it to themselves to buy an affordable real grade gundam kit just to see what incredible stuff can be done with plastic miniatures outside of the GW ecosystem, and for less than many AoS infantry boxes)

Edited February 13, 2022 by sandlemad

[zilberfrid]

8 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said:

But consider all the free healthcare in the UK that the greater GW prices can bring to their people!

Thus, inflation should help the US get single-payer healthcare installed with 3 years 🙄

Healthcare is cheaper per person in the UK compared to the US, with better coverage, but please don't put politics in the thread.

[Kaleb Daark]

10 hours ago, sandlemad said:

I think the gunpla question kind of touches on what @EccentricCircle pointed out, that it depends on what you’re evaluating things on. Gunpla by design doesn’t go for e.g. organic surfaces in the same fashion as GW kits, and I’d agree that in some ways the experience of working with them is a different one, often with different rewards and context for what you’re getting out of it.

That being said, measuring on many technical metrics, it really is astounding how even older Gunpla kits they leave GW stuff in the dust when it comes to plastic technology, sprue layout, finely engineered moving parts, mixed colours, QA, etc. and all for considerably less than your average GW example. Maybe it’s apples and oranges to a degree (though they’re both fruit, they’re both roundish, etc) but to my mind it does firmly stomp on the idea of GW as a high-end luxury product.

More ‘this is expensive so it’s luxury -> it’s luxury so it’s expensive’ as a cycle that GW repeats about its products. Jewel-like objects of wonder and all that.

(at the risk of getting off topic and putting aside the wider context of rules and gaming, I think every lifelong GW aficionado owes it to themselves to buy an affordable real grade gundam kit just to see what incredible stuff can be done with plastic miniatures outside of the GW ecosystem, and for less than many AoS infantry boxes)

I'd just leave it at it's the duty of everyone to buy a Gundam kit.

I mean.. why wouldn't you want a gundam suit in your life.

[Greybeard86]

23 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Could anyone show some model sprues that match gw then? Love em or hate em they are technically waaaay ahead of their competitors. 

This is simply not true. What GW has done well is to create, over the years and borrowing a lot from others, a quirky distinct setting for both 40k and fantasy. The kits were never the best ever at a technical level and they are certainly not the best now. Plenty of examples around here, the tau one is the most obvious. But Harlequin had comparable minis in the metal era (for example, for dwarves) and now with 3d printing I can find lizardmen that are superior to GW's sculpts.

It was the story that set them aside, from then on it is a lot of marketing. Prices do not reflect costs alone (no matter how many people keep saying stuff about development costs and what not), they are very much a result of market power.

Personally, I encourage those who can find better minis in other ranges to proxy them. I'll happily play against better brets, empire/guild, or even gargants. GW should be a choice because they are better value, not because they bully everyone into their product (tournies) or they are just the loudest (more marketing).

[zilberfrid]

2 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

I'd just leave it at it's the duty of everyone to buy a Gundam kit.

I mean.. why wouldn't you want a gundam suit in your life.

I'm not onboard with all of the designs, but they seem very good as kitbash material!

[Durgin]

13 hours ago, sandlemad said:

I think the gunpla question kind of touches on what @EccentricCircle pointed out, that it depends on what you’re evaluating things on. Gunpla by design doesn’t go for e.g. organic surfaces in the same fashion as GW kits, and I’d agree that in some ways the experience of working with them is a different one, often with different rewards and context for what you’re getting out of it.

 

Yes, bandai doesn't work on organic surfaces, but think about all those products like, well, SPACE MARINES (caps lock activated only to suggest to read it with a space marine voice XD).

Said so, it's not difficult to produce organic surfaces, it's just a matter of sculpt them enhancing the engraves of the model. I said it because my best friend, and sculptor of all my own miniatures range, is also a sculptor for Malifaux (his name is Valerio Terranova), so we discussed a lot about this kind of things because sooner or later I want to make plastic kits too.

What really makes the difference is the engineering process behind the layout of a sprue, think about, for example, hot to cut the original sculpt into separate components: GW, for example, is very good in making a good compromise between a complex sculpt and a smart way to divide it into components. Many Malifaux kits, instead, are cut in a worse way, because all the engineering process is made in China and they obviously cut the original sculpt into components without thinking about the simplicity in assembling or painting them.

Gunpla kits layout and engineering is out of this world, and I can only imagine how they could handle a (for example) classic tactial squad kit, it would be awesome (and cheap for sure XD). 

[zilberfrid]

28 minutes ago, Durgin said:

Yes, bandai doesn't work on organic surfaces, but think about all those products like, well, SPACE MARINES (caps lock activated only to suggest to read it with a space marine voice XD).

Said so, it's not difficult to produce organic surfaces, it's just a matter of sculpt them enhancing the engraves of the model. I said it because my best friend, and sculptor of all my own miniatures range, is also a sculptor for Malifaux (his name is Valerio Terranova), so we discussed a lot about this kind of things because sooner or later I want to make plastic kits too.

What really makes the difference is the engineering process behind the layout of a sprue, think about, for example, hot to cut the original sculpt into separate components: GW, for example, is very good in making a good compromise between a complex sculpt and a smart way to divide it into components. Many Malifaux kits, instead, are cut in a worse way, because all the engineering process is made in China and they obviously cut the original sculpt into components without thinking about the simplicity in assembling or painting them.

Gunpla kits layout and engineering is out of this world, and I can only imagine how they could handle a (for example) classic tactial squad kit, it would be awesome (and cheap for sure XD). 

I thought some of the more recent sprues, the current Kill Team starter box isn't laid out well at all.

Yea, a lot is stuffed in a few sprues, but the parts are all over the place, you need look all over for that specific arm or other thing.

It was nice of them to have them slot so nicely into the existing Grognard stuff, this means I have more variety of heads and bodies.

The Wargames Atlantic set I have comes up just a bit below the price of Cadians, (12 for 30 euros, (so 2,50 per model) instead of 10 for 35 for cadians (so 3,50 per model)), but there are a few differences:

• Detail is better for WA
• There are about 30 more heads in the WA box
• There are more stances in the WA box
• The WA box is heavy weapons and support so there are also
  • 6 heavy weapons platforms with a total of 12 options
  • Command attributes
  • Specialists tools and bags

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/les-grognards-command-and-heavy-support is the set in question

[Kaleb Daark]

2 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

I'm not onboard with all of the designs, but they seem very good as kitbash material!

M'colleague.. regretfully this is not open for discussion.

Please assign yourself inline and wait for grumpy silly hat big trousers knife eared god thought process realignment.

I think it's the department where you stand under a floating D8 for an hour, or it could be the D4, not sure.

 

Now... all one needs to know, is that those sprues have the precision, fastidiousness, complexity and attention to detail that can only mean one thing ... yes, they were created by Chaos Dwarfs.

 

... OOOOOHHHHHH did someone say chaos dwarfs?

[Stormblood]

On 2/11/2022 at 1:50 AM, Kasper said:

But people absolutely can afford it, they just choose not to or those introducing them are straight up unrealistic how to get started with the hobby. IMO even Warhammer is actually pretty "cheap" if you consider how much time you get out of every dollar you spent. This is assuming you actually sit down, assemble, paint and play with those minis. Its an incredible value and gives you much joy for MANY hours considering what other hobbies cost or what a quick trip to the movies etc. Dollar : Hour of enjoyment ratio is rather good. 

For people entering the hobby the goal shouldnt be to straight up buy 3+ full 2.000 pts. armies. Buying into Warcry or 500 pts. games is where the entry level is. 

Vince V. on Warhammer Weekly has talked about this topic and made a youtube vid about it but new people shouldnt buy into GWs products like at all, theres a significant saving from buying other hobby items - All the tools/paints/brushes are way overpriced but thats a different topic really. 

great points.  I wanted to ask if you can tell me which episode Vince speaks about this in depth.

[Noserenda]

Working through in no particular order as got lots of responses while afk...

@Durgin Ive picked up a few Gunpla kits over the years for spare parts and never been particularly impressed, they didnt bare much resemblance to the stuff described above though so im guessing i got lower end stuff? They arent very common in the UK (At least the stores ive had access to) though so there isnt much to compare to.

I do think its a different kind of thing though, amazing articulation isnt really much of an asset to a wargaming piece thats likely glued down and based, im assuming Gunpla just got really damn good at making mechas but hasnt really strayed far from making mechas? 

@zilberfrid    Wargames Atlantic produce solid work but its mass grunts, solid work is all its ever going to be though its a niche they are dominating (And something i wish Mantic had stuck with) i dont think they are going to be making anything bigger than a horse/ogre any time soon, they just dont have that "wow" factor to put them over. I do really want the Afgan horsemen ive been waiting seemingly forever for though!

@Greybeard86Yes, 20-30 years ago GW was producing worse minis, i dont think anyone is disputing that? Mine and my group have absolutely no problem using other figures and im sure we arent particularly atypical in that, couple of 3d printers and plenty of awareness of other brands to grab models from. Im not really aware of someone making something like Nagash though?

@EccentricCircleim not sure i agree on most of your points tbh, sure some of the computer designed sprues can be difficult to conceive but that also means you can make some absolutely jaw dropping stuff out of them. Those Frostgrave wizards for example could have stepped straight out the 80's (And GW still makes an essentially equivalent kit afaik?) but i dont think any of us could have expected something like the Nighthaunt range to be possible back then, you seem to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, sure some kits are a bit more of a pain but the final results are usually well worth it. Exactly as tricky to kit bash in most cases too, i literally have a half dozen converted Primaris in front of me as i type and chopped and reposed a Lord Executioner chap last week to avoid having a double when i was building my big box of nighthaunt and there are Sister of Silence (A notoriously inflexible kit) outisde weapon options) conversions and reposes scattered all over my work in progress mound  I am primarily a modeller though, so perhaps we are looking at the U from different directions? 



Overall, GW is a luxury product by any sensible definition, you dont actually need them to live, and they are certainly expensive but gaslighting that they dont make models (typically big centrepieces) just on another level in many cases is kinda disingenuous.

I was being genuine in my initial question btw, i would like a good cheaper alternative

[zilberfrid]

@Noserenda The Frostgrave Wizards plastic sets certainly could not have been made in the '80's. There are also metal models, which might be the ones you looked at.

Detail is a bit above Freeguild Greatswords, certainly a leap above guards (both Imperial and Empire) Handgunners and a good step up from Pistoleers.

And both male and female faces look like humans, something GW hasn't managed until recently.

You asked for sexy sprue pics, and here they are from the best sets in the world (Frostgrave Wizards 1 and 2). Wizards makes a set with variety of 2 bodies, fewer arms, fewer heads, and at about triple the price per model (which is good value for GW at just over €8 for a hero compared to €2,50 for Frostgrave). That's a set from, if I recall correctly, 2006-2010.

I get what you mean by the Wargames Atlantic stuff, but the specific set I linked was command, heavy weapons etc.

That's not just grunt work (3x heavy weapons, one head sprue). The ball turret also has a nifty thing where they have a molded radar screen that paints really easily.

Even the Victrix plastic bag of vikings blows guard out of the water, and they are €40 per 60.

I do compare these to older sets, because in a lot of places, those are GW's current sets. Quality below competitors and priced at double or more.

Now yes, in big things you have to go for vendors like Mierce for their (better than GW's giants) but for me, 3d printing has started to replace GW for much of the center pieces, and I think no representation of Nagash looks good.

The new one might be a technical marvel, but it's the same style as Ossiarch. I don't like Ossiach or the similar mortachs. Kratakros is a good design devalued by the Ossiarch design elements, but still credit where it's due.

Preface for the rest: I don't like useless shoulderguards (especially ones that crush heads if you try to lift arms), useless detail and lumpy bodies.

Space marines all look ugly and mostly the same if you strip the colour. They are misshapen blunt objects with unneccesary details hiding it's all the same dude with a head and weapon swap.

Stormcast have only become passable in the newest sets, with the previous one almost being passable (with a few exceptions). What came before is a blatant attempt to Space Marine in AoS. Worst example being the Lord Relictor with spikes on the inside of the knees, shoulder and back spikes tangling, silly helmet and carrying a corpse on a stick with candles on it.

There is literally nothing redeemable about this thing.

Chaos Warriors also mostly have one design, with 50% of the model shoulderguards, the rest spikes and fur. Recent lady is a standout here.

Tyrannids are a blatant rip off of Alien, though they have progressed mildly.

Necrons are Terminator clones, also with some improvements.

Nuns in space are fetishized a bit, but are good designs where overdecorating works.

Tau infantry are good, but their mechs have to compete with gunpla, and they just can't.

Necromunda is almost universally good. I even excuse Goliaths lumpyness here, because I am a hypocrite.

I get Nurgle, don't like it but it dies what it needs to do.

I like bloodletters, but not the rest of Khorne.

Tzeench is almost universally awesome. Current plastic capabilities could make a redesign of that awful awesome metal possible

Slaanesh's redesigned units are very good, older ones not so much.

Fyreslayers have enough variety for one infantry kit and the Magmadroth, which is foolishly designed without the option to go riderless.

Seraphon are mostly ancient, and not in a good way. I also don't like the featherless lizard designs the Knights sit on, even for its era.

Current Vampires are good.

Nighthaunt looks good, but are bad if you have doubles due to their designs.

Kharadron would perfection, if GW would follow its own lore and make female models.

Swamp orcs look beautifully brutal.

40k orks are nice and whimsically crude.

Other AoS orks also exist. Black Orcs from Blood Bowl are good though.

Gloomspite is mostly good.

Khaine has some great models. Mostly good.

Beasts of Chaos is old and it shows.

Skaven are old and not yet forgiven for Total War (and they may never be).

Beastclaw Raiders are good, other ogres don't work for me.

Sons of Behemat are way overpriced without surpassing Mierce.

Admech are a good combination of inspiration and new ideas.

There is a lot more, but I need to go work now.

If you like the style and want that exact pose, GW's minis are good. Which is a good reason not to want double sets. The older, more doublable sets have been surpassed in quality and diversity by other vendors, Kharadron, Sisters of Battle, Necromunda and Admech excluded.

Bonus picture of badass dwarf ladies, because GW needs to start making them.

Edited February 15, 2022 by zilberfrid

[Greybeard86]

@Noserenda There are plenty of very nice centerpieces, but they are resin based mostly AFAIK. Take a look at top miniatures in the minipainting subreddit. I can find dragons, demons and amazing monsters that are at the same level as GW (I posted an example below

In any case, all I am saying is that I welcome the massive etsy & related competition that is coming. 3d printers are not as good as the current mass production GW is capable of (they cost more, take longer, it is simply not comparable tech atm). But they are good enough that, coupled with GW's insane market power fueled prices, they can put up a fight.

Now we just need to kill the reticence to accept 3rd party kits in tournaments. It is the last holdout for GW, honestly. Plenty of groups / clubs already accept them, but the idea that you won't be able to travel with them (to tournies and some stores) still hurts adoption,

I want GW to have to compete with these fantastic outside options. Sometimes, I choose GW. Other times, I don't want to pay more for something that is, IMO, inferior. That is the ideal scenario for the hobby.

 

[yukishiro1]

Why do you think GW is taking over the ITC? Yeah, right now they're saying they're not going to enforce a GW-only rule at ITC events (and I get the impression Brandt really believes that they have no plans to). But I think we all know that'll last precisely as long as until someone in the C-suite at GW decides otherwise, and then there'll be some rancid announcement on warcom about how it's actually in everyone's interest not to allow non-GW models at ITC events, and half the people in the hobby will defend it as "common sense" and "just a company protecting its brand." 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by yukishiro1

[pnkdth]

1 hour ago, yukishiro1 said:

Why do you think GW is taking over the ITC? Yeah, right now they're saying they're not going to enforce GW-only rule at ITC events (and I get the impression Brandt really believes that they have no plans to). But I think we all know that'll last precisely as long as until someone in the C-suite at GW decides otherwise, and then there'll be some rancid announcement on warcom about how it's actually in everyone's interest not to allow non-GW models at ITC events, and half the people in the hobby will defend it as "common sense" and "just a company protecting its brand." 

 

 

I can already hear the echoes in the wind calling out, "GW is a luxury hobby and ITC is not a human right." 'Tis an ugly time for any community when gatekeeping and shaming become, perhaps not the norm, but accepted and tolerated.

Edited February 15, 2022 by pnkdth

[CommissarRotke]

2 hours ago, pnkdth said:

I can already hear the echoes in the wind calling out, "GW is a luxury hobby and ITC is not a human right." 'Tis an ugly time for any community when gatekeeping and shaming become, perhaps not the norm, but accepted and tolerated.

is it gatekeeping or is it players not understanding they deserve better from what can be called a luxury hobby?

[Durgin]

On 2/15/2022 at 4:10 AM, Noserenda said:

Working through in no particular order as got lots of responses while afk...

@Durgin Ive picked up a few Gunpla kits over the years for spare parts and never been particularly impressed, they didnt bare much resemblance to the stuff described above though so im guessing i got lower end stuff? They arent very common in the UK (At least the stores ive had access to) though so there isnt much to compare to.

I do think its a different kind of thing though, amazing articulation isnt really much of an asset to a wargaming piece thats likely glued down and based, im assuming Gunpla just got really damn good at making mechas but hasnt really strayed far from making mechas? 
 

Yes there are several "lines" of bandai products, concerning gunpla: they have different scale and, consequently, level of detail and amount of parts to assemble.

you probably bought a RG kit, which are the cheapest but I honestly consider them good quality products.

The MG kits, and above all the Ver.Ka line, are top quality kits that allow you to build impressive mecha, with tons of sprues and parts and a premium quality for what concerns the kit layout and engineering. If you think about, having the chance to change the pose of your model would be extremely interesting also for wargaming purposes, especially if we consider the latest GW kits where models are more and more difficult to modify, and oblige you to have clones in your army because it's difficult to change the pose of your minis. Going back to mechas, and when I think about mecha I can't help but thing about GW kits like titans, wraithlords, T'au battlesuits, dradnoughts (all iconic GW non-organic characters which are similar as a concept to Gunplas), think about having the same versatile build of a gunpla, where you can easily modify the pose of your model at your taste, it would help you to diversify the look of your models, especially if you play 2/3x of a same kit.

 

[pnkdth]

13 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:

is it gatekeeping or is it players not understanding they deserve better from what can be called a luxury hobby?

I can certainly be that too. I was there myself, as in GW was the only ecosystem I would even consider. What I mean by gatekeeping in this case what you see in many MMOs (who expertly use sunk cost to create loyalty) where the time/money invested translate to entitlement ("I paid, you should too, even more!") and later gatekeeping ("lol, u poor go awai!".

In this regard, by going outside of GW my hobby experience is the best its ever been. Not because I hate GW but because with multiple perspectives you learn to appreciate each system for what they are. In fact, the main reason GW frustrates me comes down to their business practices. Sure, there are things I want to see improved but every system got their own type of jank and pros/cons.

That said, as you point out, it is also what in my mind should raise expectations from GW since as per their claim it is a luxury product. When I think of luxury products I do not think of compromises and shortcuts, I associate it with a premium experience.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by pnkdth

[Elmir]

3 hours ago, pnkdth said:

In this regard, by going outside of GW my hobby experience is the best its ever been. Not because I hate GW but because with multiple perspectives you learn to appreciate each system for what they are. In fact, the main reason GW frustrates me comes down to their business practices. Sure, there are things I want to see improved but every system got their own type of jank and pros/cons.

 

100% this. 

I mentioned this before in this thread, but our local gaming group spread out a bit and started playing the new editions of Dystopian Wars from Warcradle studios... Also, very much a "luxury product", but one that has: 

- amazing new high quality plastic kits (with some resin (main) parts for their models if you don't need many of them)
- free "codexes/battletomes" for all factions that are regularly updated
- those free "codexes/battletomes" come with a printer friendly version for those who don't like playing with digital documents.
- no powercreep as all those "codexes/battletomes" get updated at the same time in waves. 
- a warning that you shouldn't print them straight away, as things are bound to change as the community spots mistakes/gives feedback
- All recent rules changes compared to the previous version are in red font so you can spot the differences straight away if you already were quite familiar with the previous rules. 
- Beta rules included for all models they expect to release in the next 6 months, just so players can start doing an open beta and send in feedback should they so desire. 
- The actual rules developers being active on forums and different channels (like FB groups) to both answer common questions and discuss feedback with the playerbase. 

It's absolutely amazing to see how a small company absolutely nails keeping their game up to date... Even if they do make a deliberate choice every now and again that you don't agree with or would like to see changed. 




And we still play AoS games now, because all of these points don't make us hate GW! It just makes us wish the big company could make a few changes geared towards consumers instead of share holders... But that doesn't mean we completely stopped playing GW games, it just made us broaden our horizons. And that's something I think the wargaming hobby could do with a bit more often. 

[Kitsumy]

problem is, why must gw lie always?? they said average increase is 5% on plastic minis.... so fat lie,i have seen the new prices and average raise is 12-15%,  or maybe more. only a few items went up less than 10% but LOT of them went up 20% or more.

some scenary pieces raises by 28%...

 

there isnt any excuse to raise prices around 20-30% across the board on last 6 years, when ipc went up around 10% at best.

 

and yes, gumplas are waaaay better than gw plastic, only think about assembly gw minis by force without breaking them in 10 parts lol. plastic is way harder. mold lanes are 10 times smallers , the sprue joint to pieces are so small that you can even cut them with ur knife instead gw ones that need so much work to get ride of them. and yes, you dont even need to paint them since every part is coloured allready. and you get like 4x or 10x gw plastic for half price

Edited February 19, 2022 by Kitsumy