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9 hours ago, Maogrim said:

Really? That's terrifying... care to elaborate (even if slightly off topic)?

It is in this gem of a thread, from someone of African descent that wanted better representation than the Pygmies. https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwarhammer/comments/pulyh6/thoughts_is_this_unreasonable/

I'm not going to copy paste.

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3 hours ago, Deepkin said:

Congratulations on your promotion to moderator. It's recent, I take it?

Are you alright? The way you're lashing out against rather civil remarks makes me think that you might have had some bad experiences in regards to toxic communities. Would you like to share?

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On 10/14/2021 at 10:37 PM, JackStreicher said:

Unpopular opinion: Lumineth Realmlords are an overtooled abomination; consisting of 50% great and 50% terrible models. *throws wood into the fire* and the game would be better off without another constellation of 50% of their army.

:D

Another unpopular opinion: Malerion is the rightful ruler and god of all aelf-kind

change my mind! :P

Some of them are so lame (the pyjama bro and sis or that Furry-cosplayer) and bad (plus they're Aelves!) even terribly sculpted Squat knock-offs from China laugh about them. Which is a shame as some are absolutely great model not even a hater like me could fault (like the battleline with spears, Eltharion, a couple of others).

Lumineth hate is easy to explain tho.... too much focus on them, too many releases... we didn't need SC 2.0. Kelly needs to stop forcing his favorites down people's throats.

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If you think people don't like Luimineth now, just wait till they get their 3.0 release in a year. 🤣

GW Executive 1: "Haha, did you see their faces when they realized we only released half the Lumineth book, then released the other half of it a year later? Pwned!"

GW Executive 2: "Hold my beer..."

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2 hours ago, RexHavoc said:

From the minute the Old world was announced, AoS started a countdown to it's death, even if it did cause a huge increase in people trying the game in the meantime.

This is a genuine concern of mine. 

They should never have killed the Old World. Now that it's gone though, they should leave it in the past. 

 

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I think as much as there’s still a small minority WHFB/Old World folks who bear classic bitter old grognard holdout grudges against AoS, there’s also a minority of unfortunately quite smug pro-AoS folks with ugly opinions on WHFB/Old World. You can say ‘well they started it’ re: the widespread contempt AoS received early on in 1st ed (some warranted, some not) but that doesn’t justify the occasionally unpleasant attitudes I’ve seen even on TGA, particularly when it’s placed alongside the AoS community’s self-perception as the friendly/welcoming/‘good’ fanbase.

RE: @zilberfrid’s links, it fits with my experience that the worst anti-AoS attitudes (and especially the racism) these days tend to come from the relatively new Total War crowd, not old-time WHFB players. That’s already a pretty toxic and hostile community. Nothing capital-G gamers like more than picking up a secondhand grudge and using it as fuel for bigotry.

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I know this is a very unpopular one, but I don't like the gods being represented in game in their current format. Not only do I think most of them ruin the balance in 2k points games, but I also don't think the rules properly reflect their power and its strange to see them at the front of such small armies when they should be leading HUGE war hosts. Especially Nagash, Teclis, Alarielle, and Morathi. 


I would much prefer the gods to cost upwards of 1500 points, and be designed as collectors pieces and to be used in large apocalypse style games. 

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1 hour ago, yukishiro1 said:

If you think people don't like Luimineth now, just wait till they get their 3.0 release in a year. 🤣

GW Executive 1: "Haha, did you see their faces when they realized we only released half the Lumineth book, then released the other half of it a year later? Pwned!"

GW Executive 2: "Hold my beer..."

Yep, I‘m sure that I’ll be annoyed by it then too, unless all other factions got their fair share… I certainly hope it will be really small and instead the other Aelven factions get some love (or even better, non-Aelven ones!). Idoneth, Wanderers(Qulathis is an extremely good model)/Sylvaneth, Shadowaelves… all „worthless“ releases to me as well but before any single faction (apart from SCE - who‘s constant stream of kits I also find annoying, even if I got nothing against fantasy marines) gets this much, throw the others a couple of bones as well…. So many have got pretty much nothing. That sucks. 

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2 hours ago, Maogrim said:

Would you like to share?

Certainly. On this very forum, I see people stereotype Old World fans as racist, misogynist and so on. I see people hope old world fails and so on and so forth. I see posters in this thread, for example, who have in the past used their own stereotypes of Old World fans as justification for saying disparaging things about old world fans without repercussion because (in their view) they are justified as they support the "good" Warhammer and old world is the old, "bad" Warhammer. 

So maybe chill out a bit there with tone policing m8.

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12 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

Absolutely still the case in r/warhammer and any Total War social media.

Together with overt unmoderated racism (I reported, nothing happened) in r/warhammer.

r/ageofsigmar Is usually where AoS fans Stay. There's a reason They don't usually hang out in r/warhammer.

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52 minutes ago, yukishiro1 said:

I honestly think the AOS vs WHFB stuff has cooled down tremendously in the last couple years overall, and a lot of what's left is just people with old scars that haven't healed. 

 

Sadly based on this thread alone this appears to be the most controversial opinion by a rather large margin. 😢

Despite mentioning in my own post that I prefer AOS, I really love lots of things about both settings and have major gripes with both. But overall Warhammer fantasy is what kicked off my love for this hobby and has a special place in my nerdy heart. I prefer Age of Sigmar as I have found the freedom to develop my own narratives and have these stories tie into my friend's narratives in really fun and personalized ways and I think there are some really interesting and creative takes on fantasy tropes. I have developed my army around a region in conflict but I know that it borders the lands of my friends. In fantasy it was sometimes a stretch to figure out how my Dark Elves were fighting Tomb Kings or my cousin's Lizardmen were fighting Bretonnians, especially with the lore at the time heavily revolving around the Storm of Chaos at the time.

But overall I think that it is important to let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. I plan on getting into old world and I will be using my round based Chaos forces in square regiment trays and if I pick up a square based old world army I will have them take looser formations in AOS. 

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1 hour ago, Deepkin said:

Certainly. On this very forum, I see people stereotype Old World fans as racist, misogynist and so on. I see people hope old world fails and so on and so forth. I see posters in this thread, for example, who have in the past used their own stereotypes of Old World fans as justification for saying disparaging things about old world fans without repercussion because (in their view) they are justified as they support the "good" Warhammer and old world is the old, "bad" Warhammer. 

So maybe chill out a bit there with tone policing m8.

Well, I'm sorry you've had these experiences and such opinions like you describe them are worrying and stupid.

But, with all due respect, I don't think that I'm the one who needs to chill here. M8.

 

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Here's a lore based one to lighten the tone.

Radukar is actually a pretty good ruler, probably better than a lot of the dukes of sigmarite cities.

Why? Well, I recently read the cursed city novel, and when a serial killer was loose in his city the guy personally took his secret police and investigated. He visited every crime scene at great personal risk and didn't rest until the killer had been brought to justice!

Now... the protagonists certainly had an uncharitable interpretation of his actions, and thought he was just a blood sucking fiend trying to prevent anyone from eroding his power base, but really, how many leaders of human cities would take such a personal interest in police work and the public good?

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1 hour ago, xking said:

r/ageofsigmar Is usually where AoS fans Stay. There's a reason They don't usually hang out in r/warhammer.

Unpopular opinion:

You can love Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar and visit r/Warhammer and r/Ageofsigmar and play Total War Warhammer.

I know, mindblowing.

 

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15 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Here's a lore based one to lighten the tone.

Radukar is actually a pretty good ruler, probably better than a lot of the dukes of sigmarite cities.

Why? Well, I recently read the cursed city novel, and when a serial killer was loose in his city the guy personally took his secret police and investigated. He visited every crime scene at great personal risk and didn't rest until the killer had been brought to justice!

Now... the protagonists certainly had an uncharitable interpretation of his actions, and thought he was just a blood sucking fiend trying to prevent anyone from eroding his power base, but really, how many leaders of human cities would take such a personal interest in police work and the public good?

As screwed up as Cursed City was, it's still arguably better than Chaos!

With that said, the irony of Death is that in true Nagash style, the vampires there are their own worst enemy. If you established a coercive, autocratic state that behaved in function basically the way Cursed City worked, but put a veneer of civility over it, you'd actually have held on:

  • Citizens are still consumed for blood by vampires, but rather than done in horrible hunts or dragged screaming, they are taken as volunteers and held up as sacrifices for the greater good and their families honored
  • Instead of murdering people in size to create an undead army, raise human legions, and when they die in battle, raise them from the dead anyways so they are now honored ancestors fighting for the good of the city
  • Convert the aristocracy to vampires to ensure "continuation of expertise and chain of command" and other such niceties so that the populace sees it as a tool for ensuring you always have an upper class able to fight off Chaos

So on and so forth. Basically, dial the megalomania back from 10/10 to 8/10 and in the Mortal Realms, that might actually create a place where you still get everything you want AND people want to live there as it's objectively better than many other options!

Vampires not being able to control themselves in the end and succumbing to their urges / desire for power is kind of the core of the story, though. Their own worst enemies.

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6 minutes ago, Beliman said:

Unpopular opinion:

You can love Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar and visit r/Warhammer and r/Ageofsigmar and play Total War Warhammer.

I know, mindblowing.

 

Hilariously, I've both been ripped apart on facebook group for being a fan of both. I've been told to ****** off back to AoS groups for having stuff thats too AoS-y in my homebrew fantasy lore & models on WFB groups and been told to sod off back to old world groups for having based AoS models for dual use in my fantasy/oathmark armies.

This is why I've dropped any notion of being a 'warhammer fan' and now only view myself as a wargaming fan, that just happens to like a lot of warhammer based games.

It does mean I'm more careful about models I post now and where I post them, which does take a little more mental effort than there is reward, but it does avoid a lot of the unpleasantness that comes from daring to bridge the gap.

 

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34 minutes ago, Reinholt said:

As screwed up as Cursed City was, it's still arguably better than Chaos!

With that said, the irony of Death is that in true Nagash style, the vampires there are their own worst enemy. If you established a coercive, autocratic state that behaved in function basically the way Cursed City worked, but put a veneer of civility over it, you'd actually have held on:

  • Citizens are still consumed for blood by vampires, but rather than done in horrible hunts or dragged screaming, they are taken as volunteers and held up as sacrifices for the greater good and their families honored
  • Instead of murdering people in size to create an undead army, raise human legions, and when they die in battle, raise them from the dead anyways so they are now honored ancestors fighting for the good of the city
  • Convert the aristocracy to vampires to ensure "continuation of expertise and chain of command" and other such niceties so that the populace sees it as a tool for ensuring you always have an upper class able to fight off Chaos

So on and so forth. Basically, dial the megalomania back from 10/10 to 8/10 and in the Mortal Realms, that might actually create a place where you still get everything you want AND people want to live there as it's objectively better than many other options!

Vampires not being able to control themselves in the end and succumbing to their urges / desire for power is kind of the core of the story, though. Their own worst enemies.

Wasn’t this basically Vlads strategy in TOW?

Essentially: a vampire, but not a ****** about it

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Eh, i dont think AoS has much to worry about from OW, it wildly outsells Warhammer of old and im fairly convinced they are biting off more than they can chew with OW, its still years from release and they seem fixated on no cross play and also supporting a dozen armies or more off the bat on a Specialist game budget. Id like it to do well but i suspect its going to go poorly.

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16 hours ago, Maogrim said:

Hatred towards Aelven factions and their assumed over-supportedness is pretty unreasonable when, in contrast, everybody seems fine with former Vampire Counts branching out into three distinct factions with their own tomes, characters and supported model lines, or Chaos becoming a whopping five factions instead of one. 

Mate, just so we are clear, skaven are the only truly chaotic factions and therefore chaos incarnated, unlike those imposters like khorne, tzeentch, nurgle and so on, who clearly don’t have a shred of randomness in their army, and therefore do not follow true chaotic power, aka chaos.

Also I don’t quit know the current status around the world, yet I seem to have met about 15 people in my area who stopped playing aos, because of the change to legion of nagash.

 

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2 hours ago, RexHavoc said:

This is why I've dropped any notion of being a 'warhammer fan' and now only view myself as a wargaming fan, that just happens to like a lot of warhammer based games.

This is in general a much healthier way to approach a hobby rather than hewing entirely to one IP, with all the identification and boundary policing that comes with that.

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