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Yeah, I'm not signing up to it. I don't care for shows, battle reports, etc., and I've BattleScribe for list building in AoS and 40k (I know, I know, this can be a contentious point... but it's just so damn efficient). I do use citadel colour a lot though and I'm fairly certain that this will move onto Warhammer+, which is a bit upsetting. One thing though, I am tempted to pay the subscription solely for the assassin model. That is one beautiful model. 

I'm sure it's some people's bag though so, hey ho... 

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Everyone can do as they choose, of course, but for us (that includes the totally amazing @TwiceIfILikeIt) it's worth it.

- We are not just AoS players, so we're fine with it being heavily 40K at the moment.

- Sure, you can get Battle Reports and painting videos elsewhere, but I'm rolling the dice on these being better. The number of YouTubers who can't communicate well or present games poorly (unpainted, dumb as heck 12" objective markers messing up the visuals, etc.) is astounding. If GW can 'show the way' so to speak, I'm in on that.

- There actually are incentives for annual/early subscriptions, so holding off does have a small cost.

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I agree with the OP... This WH+ right now is VERY light on new and exciting content. The fact that they are tossing in free gift vouchers for something "exciting" almost speaks volumes. 

AoS app not working on launch is not good and I've not had any good experiences with the 40k app. If you don't have a subscription or bought the actual books, it's just a glorified PDF reader for free downloadable rules for half the game... And both AoS and 40k have amazing free listbuilder alternatives, so I see very little point in paying for a (most likely very buggy) app. 

There are barely any animations at the start and even if they continued at 1 animation of 20/30 minutes per week, it would still take months to have a decent enough library to justify the £5/month pricetag. Got to remember that we live in a world where the entire Disney library is valued at a £8/month and virtually all the music in the world is accessible for $10.  

Then there are the series about painting, lore and battlereports, that are essentially YouTube video content. 

Older battletome PDFs will be readable for as long as they are relevant... And at the speed at which they are churning through books/supplements, this might not be relevant for very long. 

And then there are old White Dwarf editions... I suppose that could have some good articles in there for some people, but I often don't even fully read the ones I have purchased, so I'm not that thrilled personally about that thing either. 

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1 minute ago, Sleboda said:

- Sure, you can get Battle Reports and painting videos elsewhere, but I'm rolling the dice on these being better. The number of YouTubers who can't communicate well or present games poorly (unpainted, dumb as heck 12" objective markers messing up the visuals, etc.) is astounding. If GW can 'show the way' so to speak, I'm in on that.

Have you seen them unboxing something on Twitch yet? ;)

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I wasn't too hopeful or expected much from an AoS perspective. Most (all?) the previous animation channels and big battle report channels cover 40k. Even beyond that, assuming I was into 40k, when you divide the content up in all the different systems, factions and specialist games GW simply won't create enough content relevant to me. 

I'm also displeased with the direction GW is going so it was going to be a hard sell even if the content was relevant. I've not shut the door entirely on GW though, it might become better and more interesting to me as time goes on.

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Well it's easy for me: it's not available in my country so I'm forced to pass on it 😄.

Also I tend to not jump on "pre-orders" and things like that since streaming service (and video games) have awful day 1 releases these days...

That and the fact that WH+ may very well be "only english" with no subtitles and all (I can understand a fair lot of movies/series/documentaries/battle reports/etc but some accents are very difficult for me to understand as a non english speaker).

I might add that I've always liked 40k too (but being more into AoS since 3 years) so the animations could have my interest and might make WH+ worth it for me. But if by 40k animations they'll do Space-Marines-bolter-****** (it's what they do over and over with the Black Library)...I'll pass forever.

It makes me think of something..do animators have some sort of creative freedom when they make their short story ? I'm talking about the theme, because I'm sure they can't break the lore and do "Khorne the rainbow unicorn" or "Guilliman the train: a Pegi 6 dive into the Imperium". I remember that for the BL novels, they do mostly Space marines because Space marines sells, etc,etc you know the drill...It's not really up to the author if I remember it right. So I'm wondering if it'll end up the same for WH+ animations.

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8 minutes ago, Harioch said:

I remember that for the BL novels, they do mostly Space marines because Space marines sells, etc,etc you know the drill...It's not really up to the author if I remember it right. So I'm wondering if it'll end up the same for WH+ animations.

From what they’ve shown so far, there’s a few animations for the different races, so it’s not going to be all Space Marines. Same with Age of Sigmar, as there are a few shows lined up (I think a Hammer and Bolter short and a show about Neave Blacktalon).

Also with the Loremaster show as well as painting and Battle Reports, I think there will be more Age of Sigmar content than what you might be expecting. 

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Objectively speaking, speding money on WH+ is spending them quite well even now. For 60 bucks for a year you get 2 models, eventual access to 2 functioning apps, 10 free britain pounds on your next order and even some meh content to watch on top (hah).

But honestly, while assasin model does look great, I just want to show GW, that no matter how hard you push, you can't push things half baked, and some guys in upper managment will have to get acquainted with reality for mismanaging this whole mess. The way GW hit themselfs (and the whole WH community) in the knees with fan animation debacle also left a sour taste in my mouth, so... yea.

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11 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:

From what they’ve shown so far, there’s a few animations for the different races, so it’s not going to be all Space Marines. Same with Age of Sigmar, as there are a few shows lined up (I think a Hammer and Bolter short and a show about Neave Blacktalon).

Also with the Loremaster show as well as painting and Battle Reports, I think there will be more Age of Sigmar content than what you might be expecting. 

I agree, the fact that they kept the Exodite was a welcoming surprise to me. But I was also disapointed that there was only Blacktalon announced for an AoS animation. Both facts made me wondered about creative freedom for Wh+ . Maybe most animators weren't as inspired by AoS as they were for 40k (can't blame AoS is still new) and that was not a call made by GW producers themselves...or maybe GW took what was already near release (on Youtube) before bringing in those animators and dictated others animations stories...

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57 minutes ago, yukishiro1 said:

My main sticking point - aside from the total lack of content at launch - is that I cannot shake the sinking suspicion that I'd be basically paying them for the privilege of being advertised to.

Ahah, no, of course you're not paying for a sneaky inbuild newsletter, it's just more Warhammer, more often, all Warhammer news you could possibly want! x)

 

Jokes aside, even if you completely remove any direct or indirect GW advertisement there, this whole platform concept is basically one big advertisement/promotion and expansion of Warhammer universe/franchise anyway. And in longterm it is a very smart move, so in 20 years GW could both evolve and survive by constantly generating streamed content and using their franchise for shows, games, etc, while selling/giving freely 3D models for advanced 3D printers, not quite being a model company anymore, but a franchise company instead. The problem with this plan for now is that they do not have nowhere near close enough popularity in order to pull it off. And killing off fan animation support so early and so harshly made that task so much harder (and put it solely on GW), all for some very questionable short term profit.

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Eh, signing up on day one seems like a mistake, you can still sign up in the next week and get the £10 bonus, will wait and see what the consensus is in the meantime. If the launch line up is as sparse as it looks i can always hold up a while, the real selling point right now is that sweet Vindicare mini and ill have to wait a year for it anyway, whats a couple more months? 

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I’m not planning to sign up, the minis don’t interest me and I get most of my media content from other sources (audible, podcasts) and have no use for theirs anyway. I think GW makes great minis but find battle reports dry in general and as for painting tutorials - have you guys seen painting buddha and angel giraldez and notjustmecha? There’s no shortage of amazing painters doing videos on youtube! 

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Quick recap already stated by others on this post I feel about this:

6 bucks a month for GW is a great deal. The yearly cost is like one box of models! The additional September stuff is half a month away.

The initial startup commitment on production of CGI, lore etc. GW likely have undergone is likely a large sunk cost as is, and all undertaken with COVID forcing remote work and delays etc. The App or model incentives are marketing for a major launch, were likely there for rushed product or not. A single cost for everything is great.

This is not Disney taking all their existing video and TADA! streaming it. GW is building something from the ground up. To compare the level of content out of the gate is ridiculous.
Astartes which had total running time under 10 mins likely took Syama Pedersen 1000 hours+. I'd have thought more would be thrilled to have his talent given a budget and team to produce more.

On the Youtube 'fiasco', their legal writeup no different than any other media company, and was inevitable for a company moving into that space. Again, Disney and others have just as strong protections for their properties. doesn't stop fans from participating creatively with licensed property from them (under the radar) I have a kid and my god the amount of knockoff / clip videos / parody stuff across youtube is nigh unenforceable.

Another poster mentioned how GW exists to sell models. everything else is really marketing for that. Well if they can make Warhammer+ truly profitable on its own, it could have a positive shift in their focus towards deeper lore, engaging stories from more angles. Given enough time, the potential is massive for existing books to be turned into shows or movies. Horus Heresy, Old world, etc. More then just marketing, on a larger scale the offerings will need to stand on their own.

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Well for me it's all a bit of a moot point as it won't be available in Japan at launch. If I lived in the UK, I would probably sign up a couple of weeks in after reading a few reviews. 

To me the most interesting part of this is the vault. There's a huge amount of things they could put in there. If they uploaded 10 White Dwarfs a week for the next year that would be worth it by itself. 

 

If you're in it for the shows there's definitely not enough content yet. If you wait six months and they keep their promise of weekly content, there should be enough content to make a sub worthwhile. 

As for the app, I'm still praying they have a major rethink and let you purchase full battletomes and the core book like you could in the old app.

 

 

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7 hours ago, lare2 said:

One thing though, I am tempted to pay the subscription solely for the assassin model. That is one beautiful model. 

Haha same and I don’t even play 40k actively 🙃

To each their own. My guess is that GW has some monies on the side to get W+ going over the coming year. Which could ultimately lead to more subs when the content is here and the early adopters will probably resub after a year.

But in general I was surprised they are going for this. Costs probably a lot to make and needs even more subs to be shareholder profitable ;)

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The decision to try to push subs via models and vouchers rather than the actual content available at launch shows a recognition that the streaming offering itself isn't very attractive on its own terms right now. It's smart marketing, but it's basically kicking the can down the road on the actual service. It's too early to say at this stage whether W+ is going to become a serious streaming service on its own merits, or whether it's really just about getting people paying GW a monthly fee for a grab-bag of "benefits," one of which is a couple videos every now and then. 

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8 hours ago, Zeblasky said:

Objectively speaking, speding money on WH+ is spending them quite well even now. For 60 bucks for a year you get 2 models, eventual access to 2 functioning apps, 10 free britain pounds on your next order and even some meh content to watch on top (hah).

But honestly, while assasin model does look great, I just want to show GW, that no matter how hard you push, you can't push things half baked, and some guys in upper managment will have to get acquainted with reality for mismanaging this whole mess. The way GW hit themselfs (and the whole WH community) in the knees with fan animation debacle also left a sour taste in my mouth, so... yea.

You only get one of the two models in the subscription price btw, you can buy the second on top. 

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What rattles my bones most is the transition of free community/fan content, like the awesome warscroll builder, behind a pay wall. Same for the GW AoS App, with the „promise to deliver“…

same for the YT IP stunt.

and especially doing it BEFORE launching their own products. They don’t have their OWN cgi clips etc, they forced the freelancers into submission, called dips on their work or out of WH business.

So we will get the same as before, but not for free, but with „full hurray GDubs“ and everybody has to be a 5£ patreon 🙄

And while there are a bunch of not too hot batrep producers out there and most going for the „fun2play“ approach, who really believes that GW will have serious WaaC-Content? There are WD batreps, where rules are applied that never made it into the book…

I think they’re just doing it the wrong way around, trying to force success through bullying, instead of creating cool content that people want to support…

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28 minutes ago, Honk said:

What rattles my bones most is the transition of free community/fan content, like the awesome warscroll builder, behind a pay wall. Same for the GW AoS App, with the „promise to deliver“…

same for the YT IP stunt.

and especially doing it BEFORE launching their own products. They don’t have their OWN cgi clips etc, they forced the freelancers into submission, called dips on their work or out of WH business.

So we will get the same as before, but not for free, but with „full hurray GDubs“ and everybody has to be a 5£ patreon 🙄

And while there are a bunch of not too hot batrep producers out there and most going for the „fun2play“ approach, who really believes that GW will have serious WaaC-Content? There are WD batreps, where rules are applied that never made it into the book…

I think they’re just doing it the wrong way around, trying to force success through bullying, instead of creating cool content that people want to support…

As far as I know Warscroll builder will stay browser based and not moved into Warhammer+?

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