readercolin Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Erdemo86 said: is Gardus with Hallowed knights not Worth it in such Kind of list? 5+ ward looks strong, dropping him with scions near your annhilators? Gardus is an option that you can run. You would probably want to take that third list and drop the celestant prime for him, and that also opens up some room for other units as well, as you would have 215 points to spare. What you put in is really up to you, as it is definitely a flex spot. Again, for the lists that I posted, you have a core of Imperitant, Relictor, Annihilators, and either judicators or vanguard raptors. The rest of the list is flex spots, but you need to make sure that you achieve your 3 battleline units. If you want to run Gardus, you can do that. If you want to run Yndrasta + some battleline, you can do that. If you want to run 2 squads of 6 annihilators, you can do that (in Knights-Excelsior only). But the core of your army is going to be the Imperitant to give you the 7" landing zone, and some sort of shooting to blow away any screens (preferably with the double-tap capability) or take out key support units. But until the annihilators are released and people start playing with them and competing, those flex slots are going to remain flex slots and individuals will need to determine what they want to play with in those slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, readercolin said: Gardus is an option that you can run. You would probably want to take that third list and drop the celestant prime for him, and that also opens up some room for other units as well, as you would have 215 points to spare. What you put in is really up to you, as it is definitely a flex spot. Again, for the lists that I posted, you have a core of Imperitant, Relictor, Annihilators, and either judicators or vanguard raptors. The rest of the list is flex spots, but you need to make sure that you achieve your 3 battleline units. If you want to run Gardus, you can do that. If you want to run Yndrasta + some battleline, you can do that. If you want to run 2 squads of 6 annihilators, you can do that (in Knights-Excelsior only). But the core of your army is going to be the Imperitant to give you the 7" landing zone, and some sort of shooting to blow away any screens (preferably with the double-tap capability) or take out key support units. But until the annihilators are released and people start playing with them and competing, those flex slots are going to remain flex slots and individuals will need to determine what they want to play with in those slots. Thanks alot. This is were im at with My theorycraft: still 380 Pointe left,Any idea How to Fill them nice? Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hallowed Knights- Grand Strategy: - Triumphs: LeadersLord-Imperatant (175)Gardus Steel Soul (160)Lord-Relictor (145)- General- Command Trait: High Priest - Artefact: Arcane Tome (Universal Artefact)- Spell: Celestial Blades- Prayer: TranslocationBattleline10 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (400)- Reinforced x 15 x Vindictors (130)5 x Vindictors (130)Units6 x Annihilators with Meteoric Grandhammers (480)- Reinforced x 1Core Battalions*WarlordAdditional EnhancementsHoly Command: Thunderbolt VolleyHoly Command: Unleash Thy HatredTotal: 1620 / 2000 Edited October 18, 2021 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) I strongly reccomend bringing the Judicators up to full strength, for starters, to maximize your thunderbolt volley. They're not actually that impressive with only 10 men, especially compared to Longstrikes. That leaves you with 180 points. You could add another redeemer unit as screen your 600 point judicators, or if you want to support the boys dropping in, you might consider a stormstrike chariot; It's inexpensive, hits reasonably hard, and doesn't need much support. Alternatively, between scions of the storm and the lord relictor, you have the support you need to run boltstorm crossbow judicators, who actually outperform any other Ranged unit we have against units without a 2+. That would give you 210 points to play with, which opens a lot more options Edited October 19, 2021 by Squark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarrWolves Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Question about Bastian Carthalos: Can you use the ability "The Thunderborn" even if Bastian is in reserve? The Thunderborn: "Once per turn, in your hero phase, you can pick 1 enemy unit on the battlefield and roll a number of dice equal to the Wounds characteristic of that unit. For each 6, that unit suffers 1 mortal wound." I'm asking that because for instance the "Guided by Lightning" ability of the Lord-Imperatant specifically mentions "if any friendly units with this ability are on the battlefield" in the description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stus67 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, KarrWolves said: Question about Bastian Carthalos: Can you use the ability "The Thunderborn" even if Bastian is in reserve? The Thunderborn: "Once per turn, in your hero phase, you can pick 1 enemy unit on the battlefield and roll a number of dice equal to the Wounds characteristic of that unit. For each 6, that unit suffers 1 mortal wound." I'm asking that because for instance the "Guided by Lightning" ability of the Lord-Imperatant specifically mentions "if any friendly units with this ability are on the battlefield" in the description. It doesn't say its a command ability and it doesn't say he has to be on the battlefield so I guess not? It'll probably be a FAQ situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, KarrWolves said: Question about Bastian Carthalos: Can you use the ability "The Thunderborn" even if Bastian is in reserve? The Thunderborn: "Once per turn, in your hero phase, you can pick 1 enemy unit on the battlefield and roll a number of dice equal to the Wounds characteristic of that unit. For each 6, that unit suffers 1 mortal wound." I'm asking that because for instance the "Guided by Lightning" ability of the Lord-Imperatant specifically mentions "if any friendly units with this ability are on the battlefield" in the description. In AoS 2 there was an faq which stated that units in reserve couldn't use abilities at all (for instance, drycha couldn't pick her aspect if she was in reserve) but I am not sure it was reprinted in the 3.0 FAQs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 you cant use rules from reserves, its in the core rules somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrethegreat Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) How do you know when a list is good and when do need to make changes? so, I have played this list two times, I won one games and lost one with it, how many times do I need to play this list to determine if is good or bad? Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar- Grand Strategy:- Triumphs:LeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)*- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender- Artefact: Mirrorshield- Mount Trait: Celestial InstinctsKnight-Venator (175)**Knight-Judicator with Gryph-Hounds (205)*Lord-Relictor (145)*- Prayer: Bless WeaponsBattleline5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)*5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)*Units3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (115)**- 1x Stormsurge Tridents3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (115)**- 1x Stormsurge TridentsCore Battalions*Battle Regiment**VanguardTotal: 2000 / 2000Reinforced Units: 0 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 97Drops: 4 Edited October 19, 2021 by Andrethegreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Andrethegreat said: 5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)*5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)* Get these combined 👍 In answer to your question, depends really... I know that's not much help. What armies you playing against? Are their lists competitive/casual? Are they competitive/casual? I'm a big advocate of a list being as good as the player, to an extent. The more comfortable a player is with a list, the more they know it like the back of their hand, the more they'll win. I've a friend who runs a "non-meta" army and he has done for years. He knows his army, the game, and the opposition very well. Best player I know - never beaten him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrethegreat Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, lare2 said: Get these combined 👍 In answer to your question, depends really... I know that's not much help. What armies you playing against? Are their lists competitive/casual? Are they competitive/casual? I'm a big advocate of a list being as good as the player, to an extent. The more comfortable a player is with a list, the more they know it like the back of their hand, the more they'll win. I've a friend who runs a "non-meta" army and he has done for years. He knows his army, the game, and the opposition very well. Best player I know - never beaten him. Thank you, for your feed, just checking. are you saying I should combined my judicators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasteon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Andrethegreat said: How do you know when a list is good and when do need to make changes? so, I have played this list two times, I won one games and lost one with it, how many times do I need to play this list to determine if is good or bad? Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar- Grand Strategy:- Triumphs:LeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)*- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender- Artefact: Mirrorshield- Mount Trait: Celestial InstinctsKnight-Venator (175)**Knight-Judicator with Gryph-Hounds (205)*Lord-Relictor (145)*- Prayer: Bless WeaponsBattleline5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Liberators (115)*- Heavens-wrought Weapon and Shield5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)*5 x Judicators with Skybolt Bows (200)*Units3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (115)**- 1x Stormsurge Tridents3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (115)**- 1x Stormsurge TridentsCore Battalions*Battle Regiment**VanguardTotal: 2000 / 2000Reinforced Units: 0 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 97Drops: 4 You need to analyse your games, even if you won. Ask yourself 3 simple questions: - What went well, and why? - What went badly, and why? - Would something be better if I changed a unit? If you don‘t have enough arguments you need more games, if you know that things went badly but you don‘t know what to change you need more games. If you win everytime and have tons of reasons why you know your list is good. Important note: Play different players and if you can, different areas. If you always face the same guys and win all the time it may be that they are just not good at the game, so learning from those games is hard to impossible. New people, new armies, new playstylew, new meta. Helps answering your 3 questions. Good Luck, I wouldn‘t play your list btw tbh. Takes 0 advantage of Hammers of Sigmar (eg Named Characters, Fulminators Battleline) and has little to no punch. If someone showed up with that list I knew I would win no matter what I play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Andrethegreat said: Thank you, for your feed, just checking. are you saying I should combined my judicators? Very much so. 10 Judicators are much better as they can take advantage of buffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stato Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Andrethegreat said: How do you know when a list is good and when do need to make changes? so, I have played this list two times, I won one games and lost one with it, how many times do I need to play this list to determine if is good or bad? ... Be interested to hear what you think is good about it. I have a love of Prosecutors but they dont seem to be as good this battletome sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidsteel Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 App has been updated with changes for several Stormcast units. Cycle is just a Ward now, so thankfully the debate can be put to rest. Only Behemoth dragons can take the -1 to Wound trait. No movement after translocate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Everything garbage remains garbage, naturally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juicy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 i dont like this at all. ques we have to adept. So i say welcome ghur mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Liquidsteel said: App has been updated with changes for several Stormcast units. Cycle is just a Ward now, so thankfully the debate can be put to rest. Only Behemoth dragons can take the -1 to Wound trait. No movement after translocate. My app stubbornly won't update... It's hanging on to translocation 🤣 I've even uninstalled and reinstalled... Nothing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarii Orientalis Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) I should just go all-out shooting until (surprisingly) un-nerfed stormdrake guard are available for sale. But hey, maybe people will think the likes of 5 knight-judicators list represent "healthier" meta, more so than lists with telporting paladins/dracothian guard. On a side note, I hop GW soon uploads FAQ containing all changes. It is quite time consuming to look through all the stormcast warscrolls. Edited October 20, 2021 by Sagittarii Orientalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarii Orientalis Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) It is also sad to see lord-aquilor and both variants of vanguard-raptors are still missing VANGUARD keyword. Not so sure about interaction between Tauralon and mount trait though. I need to see GW errata in this regard. Edited October 20, 2021 by Sagittarii Orientalis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurinTurambar Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Did they upload the sigmarine warband warscroll from shadespire already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, TurinTurambar said: Did they upload the sigmarine warband warscroll from shadespire already? In the app 265 points for 15 wounds 3+, some shooting, decent melee, some mortals, +1 to hit within 9” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarii Orientalis Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) New FAQ for Stormcasts and Orruk Warclans are available now. https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-age-of-sigmar Apparently stormcasts using translocation to teleport and move a single unit at the same turn is unacceptable, but Warbosses using same command ability twice of thrice(with only the first command issued costing command point) is totally fine. 🙄 Edited October 20, 2021 by Sagittarii Orientalis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Liquidsteel said: Cycle is just a Ward now, so thankfully the debate can be put to rest. Not seeing this in the faq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 As faq cycle us like 2nd edition, very sad about faq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidsteel Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, AdamR said: Not seeing this in the faq? It's on the new scroll for the Lord-Arcanum, you need to update the app in the play store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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