PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Marcvs said: It also looks like they're painted as anvils of the heldenhammer, which is kind of fun considering the specific FAQ on this point. Hope he checked with each of his opponents for committing one of the Great Hobby Sins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 They aren't painted as Anvils of the Heldenhammer btw - Although, yes it is a silly rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, The World Tree said: They aren't painted as Anvils of the Heldenhammer btw - Although, yes it is a silly rule. damn you're right. he got me with those white accents! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 hours ago, feadair said: Ben Johnson (of Warhammer Design Studio) currently 3-0 with this list at Warhammer World (40 players): Lucky he is allowed to play without a FAQ 😛 This list seems like it will crumble to anything half decent in the current meta though. Try to engage a gargant army with this, do maybe 10 damage and then lose a unit of dracoths in return, repeat, while also not being able to contest any objective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scurvydog said: Lucky he is allowed to play without a FAQ 😛 This list seems like it will crumble to anything half decent in the current meta though. Try to engage a gargant army with this, do maybe 10 damage and then lose a unit of dracoths in return, repeat, while also not being able to contest any objective Actually I think this list can probably drop a mega a turn. If you mob one you’ve got 16 MWs plus the ~6.5 damage from buffed tempestors. That’s 22 damage before anything charges in. Edit: 2 unbuffed Fulminators can likely drop a gargant if they charge after that. Edited October 17, 2021 by PrimeElectrid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Scurvydog said: Lucky he is allowed to play without a FAQ 😛 This list seems like it will crumble to anything half decent in the current meta though. Try to engage a gargant army with this, do maybe 10 damage and then lose a unit of dracoths in return, repeat, while also not being able to contest any objective It is currently 4-0, and has beaten Mega Gargants. LOL. Lots of unearned 'wisdom' in this thread... 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, The World Tree said: It is currently 4-0, and has beaten Mega Gargants. LOL. Lots of unearned 'wisdom' in this thread... While I don’t think the list is bad by any measure, it’s worth bearing in mind that this is one of the actual rules writers, so skill and experience undoubtedly plays a part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: While I don’t think the list is bad by any measure, it’s worth bearing in mind that this is one of the actual rules writers, so skill and experience undoubtedly plays a part. And the Dracoths list is 5-0 in the Warhammer World. i guess the dragons really are OP…. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Another top-performing list (split the finals, I think) from London Open with 38 players: Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line- Triumphs: InspiredLeadersAventis Firestrike Magister of Hammerhal (325)*- Spell: Celestial BladesKnight-Judicator with Gryph-Hounds (205)*Lord-Relictor (145)*- General- Command Trait: High Priest - Artefact: Mirrorshield - Prayer: TranslocationBattleline2 x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)*2 x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)*5 x Vindictors (130)*Units6 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (480)*- Reinforced x 13 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (240)*Core Battalions*Battle RegimentAdditional EnhancementsHoly Command: Thunderbolt VolleyTotal: 1985 / 2000Reinforced Units: 1 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 76Drops: 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: While I don’t think the list is bad by any measure, it’s worth bearing in mind that this is one of the actual rules writers, so skill and experience undoubtedly plays a part. I don't think he's a rule writer - rather oversees AOS in the studio. Certainly he is a skilled player with extra knowledge, but there are a lot of misconceptions about the Stormcast book from people who I've wagered have played very little with it. Better to approach things with an open mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 No dragons until December Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juicy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The World Tree said: I don't think he's a rule writer - rather oversees AOS in the studio. Certainly he is a skilled player with extra knowledge, but there are a lot of misconceptions about the Stormcast book from people who I've wagered have played very little with it. Better to approach things with an open mind. Ben told me he isnt involved into rule writing but he has a lot of stuff to say about direction of the game and story line. He's also a pretty skilled player. Had the honor of meeting him @belgium 2 years ago where he faced of against my buddy's khorne army with his Archaon. Can tel you he's a pretty sweet player that knows what hes doing. Edited October 17, 2021 by Juicy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrake Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: No dragons until December And they only say dragon princes in december. There is no mention of SDG. Wanna bet they're not coming this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, macrake said: And they only say dragon princes in december. There is no mention of SDG. Wanna bet they're not coming this year? In typical GW fashion (give the absolute bear minimum of information as late as possible), we have no idea. Could mean they’ll follow next week, in December with the big dragons, or even later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, PrimeElectrid said: While I don’t think the list is bad by any measure, it’s worth bearing in mind that this is one of the actual rules writers, so skill and experience undoubtedly plays a part. Hold on a moment - I thought we all agreed that the rules writers do not have a clue 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Annihilators with Grandhammers in the Sunday preview. From a competitive standpoint, these guys seem huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 oldcast arent viable without stormdrake guard!!! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, feadair said: Annihilators with Grandhammers in the Sunday preview. From a competitive standpoint, these guys seem huge. They are cool, but there just does not seem to be much reason to bring them compared to fulminators. Both units hit like a ton of bricks, especially on the charge, but with fulminators you get a unit that is still very mobile later on with over twice the movement and also more wounds per point. The difference might be if translocate gets nerfed, then the imperatant and paladins might be the next thing for semi reliable alphas I guess, although I am more looking at a Ghur battle mage with wildform in that case I think. Will probably buy them though, they look awesome. Vanquishers and Vigilors are so cool as well, but absolute garbage rules, such a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) The preorder article intentionally left out stormdrake guard. 2022 release. Question is will GW release them a week before or a week after the Winter FAQ nerf? Edited October 17, 2021 by PrimeElectrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, PrimeElectrid said: While I don’t think the list is bad by any measure, it’s worth bearing in mind that this is one of the actual rules writers, so skill and experience undoubtedly plays a part. Looking at the Dracoths list, I do not think it is meant to be a fully optimised tournament list, like the Knights-Judicator list from last weekend was. It seems that there was a real attempt to reflect the lore with some of the selections, rather than min-max the hell out of everything. All the cooler that it was able to go 5-0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Scurvydog said: They are cool, but there just does not seem to be much reason to bring them compared to fulminators. Both units hit like a ton of bricks, especially on the charge, but with fulminators you get a unit that is still very mobile later on with over twice the movement and also more wounds per point. The difference might be if translocate gets nerfed, then the imperatant and paladins might be the next thing for semi reliable alphas I guess, although I am more looking at a Ghur battle mage with wildform in that case I think. Will probably buy them though, they look awesome. Vanquishers and Vigilors are so cool as well, but absolute garbage rules, such a shame. Yes, I agree that Grandhammer Annihilators will be especially important if there is a translocation nerf, but they probably have a niche even without it. They do have a major advantage over Fulminators, though - they seem way easier to paint! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Am I right in thinking we're not getting alternative vindictors then? Edited October 17, 2021 by lare2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 SCE win Warhammer world: Ben Johnson - Baddice - Warhammer Age of Sigmar Matched Play Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals - Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar - Mortal Realm: Aqshy - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Bloodthirsty Lord-Celestant on Dracoth (215)* - General - Lightning Hammer & Thundershield - Command Trait: Skilled Leader - Artefact: Luckstone - Mount Trait: Aetheric Swiftness Thunderwave Echelon 2x Dracothian Guard Concussors (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Concussors (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Desolators (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Desolators (220)** Lightning Echelon 2x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)* 2x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)* 4 x Dracothian Guard Tempestors (440)* - Reinforced x 1 *Battle Regiment **Redemption Brotherhood Total: 1995 / 2000 Reinforced Units: 1 / 4 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 103 Drops: 2 SCE win London open: 3 big wins in as many weeks WE META NOW BOYS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feadair Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: SCE win Warhammer world: Ben Johnson - Baddice - Warhammer Age of Sigmar Matched Play Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals - Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar - Mortal Realm: Aqshy - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Bloodthirsty Lord-Celestant on Dracoth (215)* - General - Lightning Hammer & Thundershield - Command Trait: Skilled Leader - Artefact: Luckstone - Mount Trait: Aetheric Swiftness Thunderwave Echelon 2x Dracothian Guard Concussors (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Concussors (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Desolators (220)** 2x Dracothian Guard Desolators (220)** Lightning Echelon 2x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)* 2x Dracothian Guard Fulminators (230)* 4 x Dracothian Guard Tempestors (440)* - Reinforced x 1 *Battle Regiment **Redemption Brotherhood Total: 1995 / 2000 Reinforced Units: 1 / 4 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 103 Drops: 2 SCE win London open: 3 big wins in as many weeks WE META NOW BOYS Ackshually, I think it is four wins (in two-day events) in two weeks - you forget the Swedish Fantasia Fanatic XL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordrim Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I heard that some Hallowed knight list had performed well in some tournament, any chance that some decent chap or lassie could post any of the well performing hallowed knight lists? I'm curious since I like the idea of using liberators and other redeemeers and make rather high model count stormcast army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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