New dwarf army soon? Mixed dwarfs

[zilberfrid]

2 hours ago, cofaxest said:

The only one aspect that wasn't flashed out well enough is a praise to ancestry

Valaya dwarves, you mean?

[cofaxest]

1 hour ago, zilberfrid said:

Valaya dwarves, you mean?

Yes Something like that. To be honest I'm huge fan of Valaya and will be more then happy if GW will return her in any shape or form. And ofc with her faction separate battletome.(Dwarf shield maidens are my dream) I believe that her resurrection could be a task that will unite dwarfs and in the end we could get new faction of dwarfs that will follow her.

FS for Grimnir (aka Doughters and Marathi)

Gholemkins(GK) for Grungni (aka Lumineth and Teclis/Tyrion)

KO as itself (aka Deepkin)

Something for Valaya (aka Sylvaneth and Alariele)

We even can get darker dwarfs(chaos dwarfs) for Hashut (aka shadow elves and Malekith)

Edited April 22, 2021 by cofaxest

[Kaladreon]

***BR: Teclis spoilers***

 

 

 

With what happened in BR: Teclis and Nagash being incapacitated/laid low/whatever, it seems to me like Grungni retreiving Valaya is a real possibility as he 'ate' her in the End Times. Also, with a 6 stories of Grombrindol coming out at one a month starting in January, June's should be something really tasty.

My money is on Grungni restoring Valaya (or at least officially starting the process) and a new duardin race coming out as a faction. With no Realmgates in Chamon anymore, perhaps that can be the new race's thing, being able to craft rune-portals or sthing like that. Way back at the beginning of AoS there was the Silverway discovered by the Stormcast, somrthing very like a Realmgate made by the duardin to transport themselves to their city.

I would be crazy happy with Valkyrie warrior women as a unit featured in a re-done duardin range!

[zilberfrid]

54 minutes ago, Kaladreon said:

***BR: Teclis spoilers***

 

 

 

With what happened in BR: Teclis and Nagash being incapacitated/laid low/whatever, it seems to me like Grungni retreiving Valaya is a real possibility as he 'ate' her in the End Times. Also, with a 6 stories of Grombrindol coming out at one a month starting in January, June's should be something really tasty.

My money is on Grungni restoring Valaya (or at least officially starting the process) and a new duardin race coming out as a faction. With no Realmgates in Chamon anymore, perhaps that can be the new race's thing, being able to craft rune-portals or sthing like that. Way back at the beginning of AoS there was the Silverway discovered by the Stormcast, somrthing very like a Realmgate made by the duardin to transport themselves to their city.

I would be crazy happy with Valkyrie warrior women as a unit featured in a re-done duardin range!

I'd love to see Valaya in Ghyran, she fits a Life image, though she also started rune use.

Perhaps the Kharadron find a way to travel between Aqshi (Fyreslayers/Grimnir, Chamon (Disposessed going to Grungni's faction with Gholemkin) and Ghyran (Valaya and the Root Kings) with their airships, while Grungni's, Valaya's and Grimnir's dwarves work together to build rune gates.

Because, after elves, human, lizards and demons are done breaking the realms, you really need folk like Valaya and Grungni to put them back together.

[Erdemo86]

Something like this would be very nice and i would sell everything only to start with the army...can you imagine an army with dwarfs like this, maybe a low count elite army like custodes  😍😍😍

Edited April 22, 2021 by Erdemo86

[Jeremierty]

1 hour ago, Erdemo86 said:

Something like this would be very nice and i would sell everything only to start with the army...can you imagine an army with dwarfs like this, maybe a low count elite army like custodes  😍😍😍

Where does that come from ?? Oo love the artwork ❤️

[Skreech Verminking]

On 4/19/2021 at 5:22 AM, Duke Eligos said:

It's well known that no one who plays the any of the current duardin factions wants a combined Duardin tome.

 

As a feollow dispossessed player I highly disagree with you (one more name for the great book of grudges)

[kahadin]

I have a prayer that Dwarfs get the Lumineth treatment. They get their whole line redone as new units with a newish theme and feel, but its still the same old stuff.

They could come up from underground in Chamon to try and straighten it out.

There are always Grugnicast Grugeternals as well, but I'd just like to see dwarfs be a new lumineth (No old models carry over, but its like a new classic dwarfs army).

[Televiper11]

The Dispossessed plastic models are relatively new and pretty great. I’d like to see them expanded and available outside of CoS too. The White Dwarf stories hint at Grombindral attempting to unite his kin so that’s where these rumors come from.

[Shankelton]

50 minutes ago, Televiper11 said:

The Dispossessed plastic models are relatively new and pretty great. I’d like to see them expanded and available outside of CoS too. The White Dwarf stories hint at Grombindral attempting to unite his kin so that’s where these rumors come from.

Im all for a new dwarf faction encouraging or enabling allies from all the dwarven pantheon. Having options when creating your force, and weaving your armies story is great. Right now the old Disspossed, Ko and Fyreslayers all have a good narrative home. I wouldn't want to upset that. Plus, it's very on theme for Grugni's/ Valaya (hope they both pop up as leaders) faction to want to extend olive branchs to the other dwarven peoples.

For me that's the key difference between elves and dwarves. The dwarves are far more collective and community based, well the elves are far more specialist in what they see as right. Kurnothi, Umbreneth and Lumineth all have their own specific goals and you won't likely see them coming together unless extreme circumstances require it. Dwarves are much more likely to come to the collective planning table....

They'll just end up arguing more about what to do then ever enacting a joint plan xD.

[Skreech Verminking]

I’m actually hoping for a combined arms battletome, with Dispossesseds and fyreslayers.

Fyreslayers on their own just look boring 

[Televiper11]

A combined Dispo/Fyreslayers/Ironweld army led by Grombindral and some new units would rule

[angrycontra]

As a fyreslayer player, the last thing I want is soup duardin tome. For couple of reasons:

1) Gives gw excuse to never touch fyreslayers again. I know that FS are not popular army, but I feel few unit updates / new kits could do wonders for it. Making fyreslayers part of some soup tome would just be lazy excuse for Gw to be like "eh we'll just put them here to make it feel like classic dwarf army, no need for new models, let's put the original unaltered fs allegiance in book to keep old players happy". 

2) Lore doesn't fully support it. Fyreslayers have had their lore, culture and overall power in mortal realms fully established. Same can't be said for dispossessed. The only way this combination could work is if fyreslayers were the main force and diss are the side dish, but I don't see that happening. Point is, that stubborn fire dwarves serving grimnir with their own culture won't just drop everything to follow some grungi, grombrindal or whatever and if they do, that is lousy writing on gw's part.

3) Soup tomes are badly made in general. Look at stormcast with their billions of options. 80% of that book doesn't see any real play. Cities of sigmar probably 60-70%. When too many units overlap and do more or less the same thing but some worse and some better, people are gonna gravitate towards best units. Most fyreslayer units do see play in some form or another (some more than others admittedly). If Fs and diss were to be united, it could very well be that all you competetive disspossessed players were forced to play pure fyreslayer army anyway (or vice versa) which I think is outcome no-one wants. And anyone saying "but that is only problem for hc tourney players not casuals" yeah, well go play mixed order list with fs and diss if you are so casual.

Here's the thing: I don't mind the idea of some campaign book having special allegiance that allows taking units from multiple duardin factions, nor do I mind the idea of having allegiances in book that allow taking 1 for every 4 units from another faction, but I don't want GW to take lazy route and just make soup tome with existing duardin factions.

Finally, I would much much rather see fully fleshed out new dispossessed army with golems, war machines, robots and so forth. Let all 3 duardin be their own thing.

[Skreech Verminking]

1 hour ago, angrycontra said:

As a fyreslayer player, the last thing I want is soup duardin tome. For couple of reasons:

1) Gives gw excuse to never touch fyreslayers again. I know that FS are not popular army, but I feel few unit updates / new kits could do wonders for it. Making fyreslayers part of some soup tome would just be lazy excuse for Gw to be like "eh we'll just put them here to make it feel like classic dwarf army, no need for new models, let's put the original unaltered fs allegiance in book to keep old players happy". 

2) Lore doesn't fully support it. Fyreslayers have had their lore, culture and overall power in mortal realms fully established. Same can't be said for dispossessed. The only way this combination could work is if fyreslayers were the main force and diss are the side dish, but I don't see that happening. Point is, that stubborn fire dwarves serving grimnir with their own culture won't just drop everything to follow some grungi, grombrindal or whatever and if they do, that is lousy writing on gw's part.

3) Soup tomes are badly made in general. Look at stormcast with their billions of options. 80% of that book doesn't see any real play. Cities of sigmar probably 60-70%. When too many units overlap and do more or less the same thing but some worse and some better, people are gonna gravitate towards best units. Most fyreslayer units do see play in some form or another (some more than others admittedly). If Fs and diss were to be united, it could very well be that all you competetive disspossessed players were forced to play pure fyreslayer army anyway (or vice versa) which I think is outcome no-one wants. And anyone saying "but that is only problem for hc tourney players not casuals" yeah, well go play mixed order list with fs and diss if you are so casual.

Here's the thing: I don't mind the idea of some campaign book having special allegiance that allows taking units from multiple duardin factions, nor do I mind the idea of having allegiances in book that allow taking 1 for every 4 units from another faction, but I don't want GW to take lazy route and just make soup tome with existing duardin factions.

Finally, I would much much rather see fully fleshed out new dispossessed army with golems, war machines, robots and so forth. Let all 3 duardin be their own thing.

I don’t know skaven are currently together (and I hope for gw that they won’t tear them apart again, it was a mistake it shouldn’t have happened) amd yet their still is a huge chance for them to get an update (I hope)

Fyreslayers are an interesting army concept.

Although the have one huge problem.

they all look a like 

I’m not sure if a update that brings models out, thar will look exactly the same as the latter ones, will help this problem in any way,

but who knows, maybe it is what is really needed

[Beliman]

46 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said:

I’m not sure if a update that brings models out, thar will look exactly the same as the latter ones, will help this problem in any way,

I'm not sure that's what people want.
I just want new units that have the same theme (fire, volcanos, drakes/magmadroths, romans/spartans/whatever/zealots &fanatics, gladiators, runecrafting/runeforging, etc...) but all of them designed to be really diferent from each other.

From monstruos creatures (mutated dwarfs that couldn't handle their runes) to chariots (pulled by another magma-monster) to some type of mobile artillery build on a giant magmadroth/diferent montser. Maybe even a big rune-anvil or a war-altar.

[Public Universal Duardin]

I'm still holding onto the hope of seeing Valaya return with new duardin - even if back in my head I know the most GW thing to do is to release a single Grungni model. I'm not even clamouring for 'regular duardin' a la dispossessed (okay, to be honest, I am clamouring for that), I just want official duardin women and I feel like Valaya is the chance for us to get that (even if we have some female Fyreslayers and Kharadron in Soulbound/novellas). I know, I know, this is a very specific dream of mine but one can hope, right?

[Televiper11]

I have no issue with the soup Orruk & Ogor tomes: they’re great and a Big Waagh type Duardin concept would rule, IMO.

 

[Clan's Cynic]

On 4/23/2021 at 6:15 AM, Skreech Verminking said:

they all look a like 

I’m not sure if a update that brings models out, thar will look exactly the same as the latter ones, will help this problem in any way,

but who knows, maybe it is what is really needed

New Fyreslayer models don't necessarily have to be Naked Dwarf Infantry anymore than Stormcast models have to be tall-full-plate-Ground-Marines. Even the Slayer Cult list in WHFB had things like the Goblin Hewer and Fyreslayers are still fantastic engineers in the lore (Magmaholds are nigh-impenetrable due to their construction as much as the garrison), as well as further Magmadroth models. 

On 4/24/2021 at 2:46 PM, Televiper11 said:

I have no issue with the soup Orruk & Ogor tomes: they’re great and a Big Waagh type Duardin concept would rule, IMO.

 

Those Battletomes worked well because all they were doing is remerging what was already one Army Book in WHFB (minus 'Greenskinz' in Warclans' case).

Merging Fyreslayers, Dispossessed and Kharadrons would be more like merging Idoneth, Daughters of Khaine and Lumineth.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Clan's Cynic

[Televiper11]

6 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

New Fyreslayer models don't necessarily have to be Naked Dwarf Infantry anymore than Stormcast models have to be tall-full-plate-Ground-Marines. Even the Slayer Cult list in WHFB had things like the Goblin Hewer and Fyreslayers are still fantastic engineers in the lore (Magmaholds are nigh-impenetrable due to their construction as much as the garrison), as well as further Magmadroth models. 

Those Battletomes worked well because all they were doing is remerging what was already one Army Book in WHFB (minus 'Greenskinz' in Warclans' case).

Merging Fyreslayers, Dispossessed and Kharadrons would be more like merging Idoneth, Daughters of Khaine and Lumineth.

Not quite. Fluff wise the Aelves are far more different from one-another than the Duardin are.

[zilberfrid]

1 hour ago, Televiper11 said:

Not quite. Fluff wise the Aelves are far more different from one-another than the Duardin are.

Their genes are weak, within a few generations they mutate to fit their surroundings.

[cofaxest]

After I read Wanderer series (white dwarf short stories about Grombridal in Mortal realms) I can tell that we actually can get combined tome for KO, FS, Ironweald arsenal and Dispossessed at some point. Theoretically, IF GW will return Grimnir and Valaya it's totally possible for them to live together. (Arsenal could create ground war machines with aethergold, Dispossessed and Fyreslayers could both capitalized on using rune magic and earth control) For example, in one of the stories dwarf from Ironweald arsenal works in FS forge. Old dwarven grudges are very similar to FS oaths of vengeance and etc. I still think that it's not gonna happen but right now it doesn't look totally impossible.

Edited May 2, 2021 by cofaxest

[JustAsPlanned]

It’d be a very unwelcome surprise if they souped the Duardin together. I think that aside from all being Duardin, they just don’t share all that much in common, and just lumping them together would be massive waste of design-space both model and ruleswise.

[cofaxest]

41 minutes ago, JustAsPlanned said:

It’d be a very unwelcome surprise if they souped the Duardin together. I think that aside from all being Duardin, they just don’t share all that much in common, and just lumping them together would be massive waste of design-space both model and ruleswise.

It's just pure speculation right now. I'm not a fan of that idea too but I can clearly see how GW can combine Sylvaneth with Kurnoti, Daughters with Umbaneth, Idoneth with Deepkins (as far as I know Idoneth steel need water aspect) and Dispossessed with KO, FS and Ironwield arsenal. Just add some kind of human faction and stormcast and you will have pretty systematized Order faction. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by cofaxest

[Beliman]

I'm a bit mad about this. The last 4 white dwarf stories are about Fyreslayers, Ddispossessed, Ironweld and Kharadrons...

If that's true, that means that the pointy-ears can have 4 battletomes (Idoneth, Sylvaneth, Lumineth and DoK) but Dwarfs are going to be souped in one battletome.

Time to sign a new Rune of Mark...

Edited May 3, 2021 by Beliman

[Clan's Cynic]

I think a Grombrindal model "who can be taken in any army led by a <Duardin> General" will definitely happen as GW seem to be getting more fond of these multi-army characters (Gotrek, Mega-Gargants, the Lumineth twins), but remember BR: Be'lakor ends with NOT!Grombrindal leaving disappointed that the Kharadron seem to have learnt nothing new from helping Vindicarum rather than optimistic. 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Clan's Cynic