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19 hours ago, Athrawes said:

SO, a couple of things I noticed finally reading BR: Teclis.

1: Alarielle warns Teclis that "there is a traitor within your ranks". Is this referring to Morathi's betrayal in the first book, or is someone else going to be a betrayer?

2.: Tyrion is off fighting someone who is claimed to be more dangerous than Nagash. Additionally, they clarify that before Tyrion disappeared, he was last seen heading towards the pit of Cathartia, which is the big dark spot in Hysh/realm gate to Ulgu. Who would he be fighting in Ulgu that is stronger than Nagash? 

I'm not sure about the traitor bit. But could the threat Tyrion is fighting be Be'lakor? He is the known as the "Shadow Master." Sure he may not be as "strong" as Nagash. However if he is scheming and pulling strings behind the scenes he could pose an ultimately larger threat. Was he the winged beast that freed Ven Brecht? I first through it was a Vampire but maybe Be'lakor? I suppose we will know very soon if it has something to do with Be'lakor since preorder is happening Saturday.

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11 minutes ago, BaylorCorvette said:

I'm not sure about the traitor bit. But could the threat Tyrion is fighting be Be'lakor? He is the known as the "Shadow Master." Sure he may not be as "strong" as Nagash. However if he is scheming and pulling strings behind the scenes he could pose an ultimately larger threat. Was he the winged beast that freed Ven Brecht? I first through it was a Vampire but maybe Be'lakor? I suppose we will know very soon if it has something to do with Be'lakor since preorder is happening Saturday.

Tyrion and Malerion are both listed as Dramatis Personae despite not appearing in the book, so that  could be a whole conflict in and of itself.

I was really disappointed by this book, Morathi was so much better as it had a few layers, this felt more like an A plot warporn B plot "oh this will have vague consequences maybe"

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I honestly can’t see how this is better than morathi? Morathi was basically just plot-******, where somehow everything goes absolutely right for Morathi and she really faces no hardship, her nor her daughters.

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54 minutes ago, Acid_Nine said:

I honestly can’t see how this is better than morathi? Morathi was basically just plot-******, where somehow everything goes absolutely right for Morathi and she really faces no hardship, her nor her daughters.

More than likely the consequences of her actions will be felt in a future installment, but already alienation from Sigmar's support is big enough. Mortathi actually holdings so far include Har Kuron and bits of Ulgu, correct? She herself has immense power, but her actual empire is quite small in comparison. I'm assuming any Khaine temples would been rooted out in cities still loyal to Sigmar, following Morathi's betrayal. 

On a different note, with Morathi's role in Kroak's model reveal trailer- are we setting up a split right down of the middle for Order? Morathi, Seraphon, and any Idoneth swayed by her gifts on one side- Sigmar, Teclis/Tyrion, and Arrielle on the other? The Duardin would of course fight for whichever side would pay better. 

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On 4/14/2021 at 3:05 AM, LoonKing98 said:

More than likely the consequences of her actions will be felt in a future installment, but already alienation from Sigmar's support is big enough. Mortathi actually holdings so far include Har Kuron and bits of Ulgu, correct? She herself has immense power, but her actual empire is quite small in comparison. I'm assuming any Khaine temples would been rooted out in cities still loyal to Sigmar, following Morathi's betrayal. 

On a different note, with Morathi's role in Kroak's model reveal trailer- are we setting up a split right down of the middle for Order? Morathi, Seraphon, and any Idoneth swayed by her gifts on one side- Sigmar, Teclis/Tyrion, and Arrielle on the other? The Duardin would of course fight for whichever side would pay better. 

So far we don't know though if any of this really comes into play in the future. There has been no news about any issues with Khanite temples in other cities, nor that Sigmar does anything about Morathi. He didn't trust here before, and still had to go along with what she did, they could do just the same thing again in the future. She got actually more powerful in BR Morathi, Teclis and the Lumineth didn't. I like BR Morathi, I just don't think there is any real difference between how the negative side for the protagonists are handled in both books - it's all a vague something that could happen in the future, or be forgotten because the story just moved on. 

The Order split could be interesting yeah - I understood Morathi's part in trailer more as she wants to redirect Kroak, because he would come for her, and it would be more in the direction of Chaos. The Seraphon seem to be difficult to include in any side really, as they are always doing their own, largely mysterious thing. When they introduced Broken Realms they mentioned Alarielle lashing out against allies, including Stormcast, so she might not come out on Sigmar's side. 

They handle this part very well, seems like Order is pretty chaotic right now, hard to say how this goes. 

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The only thing I wanna see now is Teclis’s Reaction after Belakor.

”Awesome. I brought hope to the realms, won against Nagash, and most importantly ended the necroquake aftershocks. Now magic can finally return back to norma-“

*The sound of every realmgate Chamon blowing up from massive backlashes of chaos magic.*

”God..... Dammit.”

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18 hours ago, GrimDork said:

Really glad to see the warcry rules for the showdown between Light of Eltharion and Arkhan.

Thought it was odd that BR:Teclis missed out that cool bit of the narrative in the scenarios section, makes more sense now

I am just happy I can play with blade lords and lore seeker now. Those guys were custom made for skirmish games it feels, and look more fun to play then the stone horns

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On 4/20/2021 at 9:05 AM, LuminethMage said:

So far we don't know though if any of this really comes into play in the future. There has been no news about any issues with Khanite temples in other cities, nor that Sigmar does anything about Morathi. He didn't trust here before, and still had to go along with what she did, they could do just the same thing again in the future. She got actually more powerful in BR Morathi, Teclis and the Lumineth didn't. I like BR Morathi, I just don't think there is any real difference between how the negative side for the protagonists are handled in both books - it's all a vague something that could happen in the future, or be forgotten because the story just moved on. 

Sorry for bumping this up again. I just wanted to clarify that there were consequences for Morathi's Anvilguard coup as stated in the new Daughters of Khaine tome (p. 17).

Ven Brecht did report to Sigmar and the Godking is rather angry. He sends three armies of Hammers of Sigmar to reclaim the city. Morathi and the Daughters manage to almost defeat them together with Idoneth allies until the Prime Celestant appears. 

He offers negotiations; him and Morathi enter the Godess' chambers and they negotiate alone, without any of Morathi's agents present. When the talks are done the Celestant Prime orders the Hammers to retreat while Morathi gets to keep the city in exchange for some mysterious promise to Sigmar.

 

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I know we're now on Book 4 of Broken Realms, but honestly did anyone else struggle through book 2? As a narrative this was so underwhelming. I thought at least book 1 had drama. But this..? I mean flying mountains? A force so powerful this is the first time you've seen them do anything even during the Storm of Sigmar? Even when all the realms were in trouble and Teclis didn't lift a finger? And he's supposed to be wise?

So much of this doesn't hang together. While I think that Nagash needed to taste defeat once more, LRL should not have been the ones to bring it. After all the shenanigans with the Allpoints and Wrath of the Everchosen, might have been better for Archaon or Be'lakor to bring him down.

So not happy with the lore, but the writing was so unengaging. This book was no more than a vehicle for the next wave of LRL models and little else, masquerading as a limp ending for the Soul Wars. Thoroughly disappointed and my least favourite of all the campaign books Realmgate Wars included. 

As for the rest of BR... well it's turned me off tbh. I didn't buy book 3 and may wait until book 3 and 4 go for less on a reseller even though I'm also a Slaves2D player.

Really at the moment I feel less is more, and this all feels badly rushed and badly planned.

Enthusiasm for AoS is starting to dwindle alas, so hoping AoS 3.0 will rekindle it!

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On 5/18/2021 at 6:40 PM, Maogrim said:

Sorry for bumping this up again. I just wanted to clarify that there were consequences for Morathi's Anvilguard coup as stated in the new Daughters of Khaine tome (p. 17).

Ven Brecht did report to Sigmar and the Godking is rather angry. He sends three armies of Hammers of Sigmar to reclaim the city. Morathi and the Daughters manage to almost defeat them together with Idoneth allies until the Prime Celestant appears. 

He offers negotiations; him and Morathi enter the Godess' chambers and they negotiate alone, without any of Morathi's agents present. When the talks are done the Celestant Prime orders the Hammers to retreat while Morathi gets to keep the city in exchange for some mysterious promise to Sigmar.

 

I know all that, but it means nothing in the way the discussion went before. She kept the price and even got a truce on top of that. It's not like she lost anything there (which is fine by me). Which was the original complain about BR Teclis from someone. 

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