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Hey guys,  

I'm completely new to the game and want to get started soon.  

I want to start off with a 1000 point army for Cities of Sigmar and thought of three lists so far:    

The first one would be dwarfs:  

1 Warden King (100)  

1 Runemaster (90)  

1 Cogsmith (60)  

30 Ironbreakers (240)  

30 Longbeards (270)  

2 Helblaster Volley Guns (240)

 for exactly 1k.    

The second one has even more artillery focus:  

1 Warden Kind (100)  

1 Runemaster (90)  

2 Cogsmiths (120)  

30 Longbeards (300)  

3 Helstorm Rocket Batteries (390)  

for exactly 1k.    

The third one would be mixed and more mobile:  

1 Freeguild General (100)  

1 Runemaster (90)  

30 Handgunners (300)  

20 Longbeards (200)  

15 Pistoliers (300)

 for overall 990.    

Could you please give me some feedback if those armies would be any good and which one you'd expect to perform better?

I intend to upgrade whichever i pick to a Greywater Battalion with 4 artillery pieces, once i assemble a 2k army.  

Any input would be highly appreciated.

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Hi,

First of all: the second list is not valid (you only have one battleline).

The 2 other lists are not bad.

For the first one, I woul rather take 30 ironbreakers and 10 longbeards (instead of 30 and 30, you don't need that many people at 1k), and then use the 170pts you gain for gyrocopters (mobility, objectives grabing) or, why not, a war hydra.

For the third list: Instead of 15 pistoliers, I would take 10 and 5, for the mobility and grabe objectives.

That's my opinion 🙂

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37 minutes ago, Crashnarf said:

Hi,

First of all: the second list is not valid (you only have one battleline).

The 2 other lists are not bad.

For the first one, I woul rather take 30 ironbreakers and 10 longbeards (instead of 30 and 30, you don't need that many people at 1k), and then use the 170pts you gain for gyrocopters (mobility, objectives grabing) or, why not, a war hydra.

For the third list: Instead of 15 pistoliers, I would take 10 and 5, for the mobility and grabe objectives.

That's my opinion 🙂

Thanks for your reply!

Sorry, i didnt write the second list clear enough.

I wouldn't take one unit of 30 Longbeards but 3x10.

So i'd fill battleline requirements and could split the army into 3 groups of 10 Longbeards, 1 Cannon and 1-2 Heroes each.

Would that make it much better or are the other 2 lists still superior?

In the third list i made the same mistake, i want to field 3x5 Pistoliers there

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4 minutes ago, Schwanniboy said:

Thanks for your reply!

Sorry, i didnt write the second list clear enough.

I wouldn't take one unit of 30 Longbeards but 3x10.

So i'd fill battleline requirements and could split the army into 3 groups of 10 Longbeards, 1 Cannon and 1-2 Heroes each.

Would that make it much better or are the other 2 lists still superior?

In the third list i made the same mistake, i want to field 3x5 Pistoliers there

The second list will be to gamble. 3 hellstorms, that is not bad, but the greywater battalion is then needed (to expensive at 1K). I think this list is to fragile and VERY slow.

The two others are superiors I think.

3x5 pistoliers, why not, but 10+5 is not a bad idea though.

Las but not least: which Citie would you choose?

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Thanks for the reply!

I'll go with one or three then. 

Not sure about the City yet, i dont have a battletome so far.

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52 minutes ago, Crashnarf said:

The second list will be to gamble. 3 hellstorms, that is not bad, but the greywater battalion is then needed (to expensive at 1K). I think this list is to fragile and VERY slow.

The two others are superiors I think.

3x5 pistoliers, why not, but 10+5 is not a bad idea though.

Las but not least: which Citie would you choose?

I just thought about the second list again, because it would be by far the cheapest to build i think.

If i were to take the gamble and actually field a Greywater Batallion, i'd go with:

1x Cogsmith (60)

3x10 Ironbreakers (330)

3x Helstorm Rocket Battery (390)

Greywater Battalion (120)

which would leave 100 points open.

If i were to go that route, would you recommend a Warden King or a Runelord with the remaining points?

I think having the Warden King as an additional fighter would be important with only 30 frontline troops, but the Runelords ability to dispel also seems pretty important to me.

 

Just a theoretical question tho, i'll probably go with the first or third army anyway. Being completely new i just cant really tell how important dispelling would be, if i had to decide between the ability and combat stats.

Especially at 1000 points i have no idea how much magic i actually have to expect.

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I can propose you this:

Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Greywater Fastness

Leaders
Cogsmith (60)
- Artefact: Mastro Vivetti's Maginificent Macroscope
-Adjutant
Runelord (90)
- General
- Command Trait: Seat on the Council
- Artefact: Steam-piston Plate Mail

Battleline
10 x Ironbreakers (110)
10 x Ironbreakers (110)
Honoured retinue

Units
10 x Shadow Warriors (110)

Artillery
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)

Battalions
Greywater Artillery Company (120)

Total: 990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 61

 
The runelord can buff an hellstorm with his prayer. He has a 3+ save and the "seat on the council" is the only command trait usefull considering this list. The dispell is VERY usefull too.
The cogsmith is here for the hellstorm and the second artefact (thanks for the battalion) is wonderfull.
 
2*10 ironbreakers for holding the line (give the chamiopns the bombs and guns)
10 shadows warrior for deepstrike and mobility (you can take 5 pistoliers instead but I prefer the shadows, your pick)
 
3 hellstorms for shooting a lot.
 
The only issue you will have is mobility, but it is a cheap army, easy and fast to built, so why not!
 
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Your longbeards can dispel with the old grumblers 3rd grumble. With your first list you can have 3 dispels each hero phase. Just a little bonus

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1 hour ago, Crashnarf said:

I can propose you this:

Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Greywater Fastness

Leaders
Cogsmith (60)
- Artefact: Mastro Vivetti's Maginificent Macroscope
-Adjutant
Runelord (90)
- General
- Command Trait: Seat on the Council
- Artefact: Steam-piston Plate Mail

Battleline
10 x Ironbreakers (110)
10 x Ironbreakers (110)
Honoured retinue

Units
10 x Shadow Warriors (110)

Artillery
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)

Battalions
Greywater Artillery Company (120)

Total: 990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 61

 
The runelord can buff an hellstorm with his prayer. He has a 3+ save and the "seat on the council" is the only command trait usefull considering this list. The dispell is VERY usefull too.
The cogsmith is here for the hellstorm and the second artefact (thanks for the battalion) is wonderfull.
 
2*10 ironbreakers for holding the line (give the chamiopns the bombs and guns)
10 shadows warrior for deepstrike and mobility (you can take 5 pistoliers instead but I prefer the shadows, your pick)
 
3 hellstorms for shooting a lot.
 
The only issue you will have is mobility, but it is a cheap army, easy and fast to built, so why not!
 

Thank you so much, i'll probably go for this list.

One last dumb question, if i may (because i'm kind of on a tight budget right now).

Do you think it would work to replace the Shadow Warriors with a Gyrobomber (80) and a Gyrocopter (70) and switch the Helstorm Rocket Batteries for Helstorm Volley guns? The Volley Guns over The Rockets would free up 30 points, so i could take the Gyros and get to exactly 1k.

Because then i could just grab the Greywater start collecting box twice and just add 3 Helstorms and a Runelord.

So if 3x Volley Guns, 1x Gyrocopter and 1x Gyrobomber could perform even just remotely as well as 3x Rocket Batteries and 10 Shadow Warriors i'd safe lots of money. If my changes suck i'll run it just as you wrote it down, sounds really good.

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Go for the economy first!

If you are a little low budget, of course you can switch:

Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Greywater Fastness

Leaders
Cogsmith (60)
- Artefact: Mastro Vivetti's Maginificent Macroscope
- City Role: General's Adjutant
Runelord (90)
- General
- Command Trait: Seat on the Council
- Artefact: Steam-piston Plate Mail

Battleline
10 x Ironbreakers (110)
- City Role: Honoured Retinue (Must be 5-20 models)
10 x Ironbreakers (110)

Units
2 x Gyrocopters (140)

Artillery
Helblaster Volley Gun (120)
Helblaster Volley Gun (120)
Helstorm Rocket Battery (130)

Battalions
Greywater Artillery Company (120)

Total: 1000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 59

 
I kept at least one hellstorm (they are very good, I think, use a proxy to play it if you need).
I made one unit of 2 gyro for less drops.  Don't use the gyrobomber, the copters are better I think, but go for what you like!
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