kozokus Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Hello. Would it be acceptable for you if your opponent bring manfred/neferata and says it is a vampire lord on Dread Abyssal (yes that horrible model)? I can't thing of anything else that would replace that model. Kozokus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Yeah - what you're saying is to have a Mannfred on a Dread Abyssal as a generic Vampire Lord on Abyssal Terror. Yes absolutely fine with me. Only the pedantic would object. I converted my own Abyssal Terror. Mannfred and the other Mortarchs are quite meh now that they cannot be general without sacrificing a command trait (i.e. the amazing 5+ ward save bubble). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I was planning on running the same thing: Mannfred and in 1000 pts do as you mentioned. I mean he is a vampire, and the old monster looks bad anyways, go for it! Nico mind explaining the command thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Mannfred and co are named heroes, so you cannot give them a command trait or an artefact. This is a big deal as you would only take Mannfred if you were planning to use him as general as his command ability is so good. Death have hands down the best command trait - 5+ ward save bubble - and good artefacts, so losing the command trait is a big deal. It has neutered Death's longstanding advantage of having the best named characters. Everyone is homing in on the Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon as the general or the Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon if playing Flesh Eaters. Settra is still a boss though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinros Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Err the thing is Aybssal terror and Dread Aybssal are actually different. A abyssal terror is pretty much a undead peagsus monster. It does not really fit considering the Mortarch's are riding a dread abyssal which is a undead monster construct that is much more large than the Abyssal terror model. I converted my my own like nico. Still it's up to your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 33 minutes ago, shinros said: Err the thing is Aybssal terror and Dread Aybssal are actually different. A abyssal terror is pretty much a undead peagsus monster. But they are Abyssal both To be exact, the abyssal terror is an undead monster construct too and looks like a winged dinosaur rather than a pegasus . I can't thing of something that could suit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinros Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 24 minutes ago, kozokus said: But they are Abyssal both To be exact, the abyssal terror is an undead monster construct too and looks like a winged dinosaur rather than a pegasus . I can't thing of something that could suit better. Well fluff wise it's meant to be some undead peagsus monstrosity. Still do remember it's quite a poor model and an old one, I do hope when they update vampires we get a new one. Since I feel he is the best "generic" vampire general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Abyssal Terrors were made out of bits of the carcasses of flying beasts, rearranged and given extra sharp bits to make them suit the individual creators' needs and whims. There were two models made of them, both quite different, and they were never meant to be something with any standardization. The warscroll depicts the second model, which is weird and vaguely reptillian - iirc the first one was too, but less saurian and more batlike. Neither were very good minis, and they were so small their riders sat awkwardly on their necks in a way that looked ridiculous. The pegasus is an interesting point of comparison, because the first Terror was about the same size mini-wise, but an undead pegasus already existed (the Winged Nightmare, for which there was never a model). Either way, while the Dread Abyssal is bigger than the Terror was ever intended to be, I'd be fine with it being proxied as one. I hope the Terror comes back someday, but I think the Terrorgheist was based on the 6E art of the thing (a huge creepy bat) and replaced it as a concept, while the Dread Abyssal took the other half of the name and some of the composite nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaosZand3r Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 A bigger model is usually a tactical disadvantage, as it is harder to block line of sight to it. It also gives you more surface area to attack in close combat. So I say go big all you want if you love the aesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 You can go big but still stay small for instance my VLoAT is this work in progress.Big model but he still ahs the 60mm base, and most models can still base to base contact him. If it's a problem i take him off. However, i'm also working on (getting or making) a longer fly stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinros Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Man mine is a lot more simple I simply got the black knight horse and the vampire lord from the Zombie and kit bashed the wings from the varghiests from it. I like the fact that the black knight horse has spectral trail's coming off it's hooves. I think he looks pretty neat he really hurt my wallet though. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonus Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 pics shinros! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Usually I'm quite pedantic about rules, but in this case I think I'd make an exception. I have the Abyssal of Melchior, but sincerly, knowing the availability of the abyssal as miniature and the actual underscale of it, if someone would want to use the dread abissal in it's stead I'd have no complaints. Maybe it could be argue about the Mannfred riding it, but also there, till there is no the use of Mannfred itself that could bring confusion I don't see any unconvenience in using it as a model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Jones Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I have no problem what model is used provided it looks like a suitably scary death mount and it is on the correct base size. I have just started to model mine from a manticore combined with the original Abyssal Terror vampire. Apparently it needs to go on a 40mm round (according to the base size chart on this site) Spent all last night making the huge manticore fit as well.... We are all irrationally precious about having the right base size right? Cheers JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Except that you can always go larger - as per SCGT. Don't go to the trouble of modelling something and then have it topple over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Jones Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Ssshh! Models know when you put them on the wrong base. I have long suspected they punish you by cursing your dice rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Nico said: Except that you can always go larger - as per SCGT. Don't go to the trouble of modelling something and then have it topple over. what sizes would you say?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 An oval base. Probably 120mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Jon Jones said: Ssshh! Models know when you put them on the wrong base. I have long suspected they punish you by cursing your dice rolls. mmh...I have to try so...maybe the curse can rise my dice roll so^^ (worse than continuous "1" can't be^^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Jones Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 @Deynon lol! Perhaps you have upset your models too? Sacrificing a zombie to the dice gods should suffice :-) @Nico a 120mm oval? , you just made that up! Poor mmimzie's dice roles will be doomed... ;-) JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 39 minutes ago, Jon Jones said: @Deynon lol! Perhaps you have upset your models too? Sacrificing a zombie to the dice gods should suffice :-) @Nico a 120mm oval? , you just made that up! Poor mmimzie's dice roles will be doomed... ;-) JJ when your opponents decide to gift you new dice cause piety and look at you ankward each time they see a multipoker of 1... I have bren able 40 dice 3+ reroll to gain 1 hit and on the next 3+ reroll to wound ..."1"... so no statistic or result can surprise me^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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