Toronto1988 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 curious if a maw could take on katakros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Well I haven't seen this fight in a game so far, so this is just my opinion based on their warscrolls but on its own it looks to be quite hard for the mawkrusha to win. If the dice gods are with it, it could win (especially if it charged) but if it doesn't instagib Katakros it's likely he'll kill the mawkrusha in return (which is much more likely). Lots of attacks with high rend and even more with -1 rend. Katakros is awfully slow and with a huge base though so there are plenty of ways to deal with him.... in theory you could feed him a decoy unit, then destroy another unit so that you get to pile-in with the MW and finish him off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falandris Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Green always wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 This is a very difficult question as it depends on a lot of factors that can be variable. The megaboss is basically always going to be charging as it's so much faster than Katakros, but we don't know if Katakros will have a turn before getting charged in which to set up his various buffs and debuffs. Similarly, the Megaboss on Maw-Krusha has a bunch of possible buffs that could be available but aren't necessarily available. For example, should he get +1 to wound from big waagh or possibly also +1 attack? After that it all depends on sequencing. I'll assume the Megaboss is using Mean 'Un, The Destroyer, and either Ironclad or Live to Fight. If the Megaboss gets to charge before Katakros puts his buffs up then he has probably somewhere around 40-45% chance to kill Katakros instantly on the charge with Ironclad or an extremely good chance to kill him instantly with Live to Fight. Those chances improve substantially if you also factor in other allegiance abilities like an extra +1 to wound or the Waaagh command. However, if Katakros does survive this initial attack he is basically going to wipe out the Megaboss as he will get to activate twice in a row and should deal more than enough damage to kill the Megaboss. If you consider the scenario where Katakros gets to buff first then you get a pretty weird stalemate. If you give the Megaboss the Big Waaagh buffs then he has bit better than 50% shot to kill Katakros, but if he misses he is going to die. If you don't give the Megaboss the Big Waaagh buffs, then he has very little chance to kill Katakros in one go and should therefore not charge. If Katakros charges in this situation he will do very little damage to the Megaboss (because his offense sucks when he is at full wounds) and then be very, very likely to get killed when the Megaboss gets to activate twice in a row. TL;DR: If Katakros doesn't get to buff first and the Megaboss has Live to Fight, he is going to win. If Katakros does get to buff first and the Megaboss has all the Big Waaagh buffs then it's a coinflip slightly in favor of the Megaboss. If Katakros does get to buff first and the Megaboss doesn't have the Big Waaagh buffs the it's a true stalemate as whomever charges is basically guaranteed to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Lorewise both do. when Kataktos dies he just goes on from another body having learned how to beat the mawcrusher. if he wins he wins. if the mega boss loses he got the biggest and best fight he ever had. If he wins he grows a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekay Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 hours ago, swarmofseals said: If Katakros does get to buff first and the Megaboss doesn't have the Big Waaagh buffs the it's a true stalemate as whomever charges is basically guaranteed to lose. If battle length is not an issue (and why would it be, if we're discounting every other factor basically :D), megaboss will eventually wear Katakros down with his shooting attack (it will take a million turns given it's a pretty bad attack and Katakros regenerates, but still :D). Katakros would have no other choice but to charge after receiving enough wounds to be fully buffed and count on killing megaboss in a single activation, which is possible but not certain. If he fails, even a wounded maw krusha will easily take the reminder of his wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, dekay said: megaboss will eventually wear Katakros down with his shooting attack (it will take a million turns given it's a pretty bad attack and Katakros regenerates, but still :D) The shooting attack does something like .4 unsaved wounds on average while Katakros heals 3 per turn, so I guess if literally given infinite time you'll get a long enough string of good rolls on the shooting attack to kill Katakros but this seems like the very definition of "technically true" XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 2:30 AM, Toronto1988 said: curious if a maw could take on katakros If it is me who would be fielding katakros (and rolling my khorne dice) than yes the mawcrusher would definitely kill him in 1-2turns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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