Fairbanks Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) Cities and Disciples Everything is up now. The point changes you heard are so far are true. Gaunt Summoner now summons only 5 Horrors. Petrifex Elite TYFYS Edited July 20, 2020 by Fairbanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 So the leaked document wasn't wrong. It's nonsense, but apparently all that happened (at least for CoS). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chumphammer Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, zilberfrid said: So the leaked document wasn't wrong. It's nonsense, but apparently all that happened (at least for CoS). yup, seems all the leaked pics I put up was right. I am glad this isnt a "go me" more of a "yay the source was right and I didnt post fake stuff" I will thank my source with a beer Edited July 20, 2020 by Chumphammer 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chumphammer Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Some of the big ones i have seen: Salamanders now 110pts Flamers/Horrors up 20pts. Gaunt Summoner 10 pink horrors now 5 horrors Scourgerunner Chariots 60/150 now 80/210 Steamtanks down to 180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayerofmen Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Very underwhelmed by some of the changes re points especially 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NauticalSoup Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Poor battle wizards. I think there was certainly a host of stuff in the game more deserving of a whopping 20 point nerf than these guys, who were mostly used to pad Hallowheart lists after you already had a sorceress or two, a knight incantor and of course the ubiquitous hurricanum, all of which are better and more critical to a wizard ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Syf Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 And Gotrek stayed the same. He is a negative play experience more so then Petrifex were in my opinion. Petrifex still died, maybe Mortek guard should have been exempt from the +1 save given their ability but I really don't see why everything else had to suffer. By contrast in every game I've played against Gotrek I've never been able to kill him. I've tried swamping him with horde units to tie him up, which doesn't take him too long to chew through and i've tried the other route of sending VLOZD + Morghasts into him for high rend, high damage attacks (which leads to disappointment as he just shrugs them off) and then spirit host for mortal wounds which he also gets a 3+ ward against! I now just refuse to play against lists with him in as I have found it to be no fun whatsover to play against. People moan about how bad Nagash was is; he's another 340 more points than the dwarf and nowhere near as survivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demosthenes Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 11 hours ago, NauticalSoup said: Poor battle wizards. I think there was certainly a host of stuff in the game more deserving of a whopping 20 point nerf than these guys, who were mostly used to pad Hallowheart lists after you already had a sorceress or two, a knight incantor and of course the ubiquitous hurricanum, all of which are better and more critical to a wizard ball. When I saw the original points FAQ leak, I was convinced they were fake because of this single change to battlemages. I'm still perplexed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entombet Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, El Syf said: And Gotrek stayed the same. He is a negative play experience more so then Petrifex were in my opinion. Petrifex still died, maybe Mortek guard should have been exempt from the +1 save given their ability but I really don't see why everything else had to suffer. By contrast in every game I've played against Gotrek I've never been able to kill him. I've tried swamping him with horde units to tie him up, which doesn't take him too long to chew through and i've tried the other route of sending VLOZD + Morghasts into him for high rend, high damage attacks (which leads to disappointment as he just shrugs them off) and then spirit host for mortal wounds which he also gets a 3+ ward against! I now just refuse to play against lists with him in as I have found it to be no fun whatsover to play against. People moan about how bad Nagash was is; he's another 340 more points than the dwarf and nowhere near as survivable. You do not kill gotrek, you just avoid him 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PensivePanther Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Apologies if I was misinformed, I've been out of the AoS loop lately. Do I understand correctly that the points for several factions were not included in the latest general's handbook? I came here looking for answers and expecting to see some outrage but I see barely a ripple on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasistellar Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, PensivePanther said: Apologies if I was misinformed, I've been out of the AoS loop lately. Do I understand correctly that the points for several factions were not included in the latest general's handbook? I came here looking for answers and expecting to see some outrage but I see barely a ripple on the topic. That's correct but we've known about it for quite some time. Really, the GHB is pretty outdated and they could just update points in the app. Which they still haven't done to my knowledge (seriously what is up with the app delay it's just numbers that need to be punched in). I'm actually more upset about that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PensivePanther Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Quasistellar said: That's correct but we've known about it for quite some time. Really, the GHB is pretty outdated and they could just update points in the app. Which they still haven't done to my knowledge (seriously what is up with the app delay it's just numbers that need to be punched in). I'm actually more upset about that. Wow, that's pretty frustrating. I get that they cling pretty hard to these written rules updates as a business model. The battletomes/GHB must be a strong revenue stream for them. But the consistent day one FAQs really leave a sour taste in my mouth especially for how expensive the books are. I mean, I basically purchase the GHB for the updated points! I'm glad I didn't buy it this time, my current army is KO. I suppose on the AoS side of the world its not such a big deal with the free warscroll builder and all. But still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, PensivePanther said: Wow, that's pretty frustrating. I get that they cling pretty hard to these written rules updates as a business model. The battletomes/GHB must be a strong revenue stream for them. But the consistent day one FAQs really leave a sour taste in my mouth especially for how expensive the books are. I mean, I basically purchase the GHB for the updated points! I'm glad I didn't buy it this time, my current army is KO. I suppose on the AoS side of the world its not such a big deal with the free warscroll builder and all. But still... I didn't get the GHB this year either. I just didn't see a point to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ravinsild said: I didn't get the GHB this year either. I just didn't see a point to it. I was on the fence too for a while, but then I could buy it for 13€ on the app so ended up buying for the convenience 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeton Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I'd really prefer to see them moving away from points updates in the GHB entirely. The Errata updates are honestly way more convenient. Then the GHB could focus entirely on updates to the Three Ways to Play, giving new narrative stuff like the sky battles, and defining the rules and missions for competitive play for that year. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid_Nine Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Marcvs said: I was on the fence too for a while, but then I could buy it for 13€ on the app so ended up buying for the convenience I got it just for the matched play updates. I went half a year without the GHB one and it pretty much ruined a few games when I didn’t know what I was doing but my opponent did. I think I would just buy a matched play update, but right now I do kinda feel like a sucker for buying the core gaming book.... Edited July 21, 2020 by Acid_Nine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Marcvs said: I was on the fence too for a while, but then I could buy it for 13€ on the app so ended up buying for the convenience Same =} i wouldn’t have bought it if it wasn’t that cheap on the App 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasistellar Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 58 minutes ago, Kadeton said: I'd really prefer to see them moving away from points updates in the GHB entirely. The Errata updates are honestly way more convenient. Then the GHB could focus entirely on updates to the Three Ways to Play, giving new narrative stuff like the sky battles, and defining the rules and missions for competitive play for that year. Move away from points, yes, BUT! Use the same space for warscroll updates, because that's where a lot of the real balance change is needed *cough Stormcast cough*. That would definitely be way more useful than points that we can get on the app (IF IT EVER GETS UPDATED) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Ghost General Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 So the leak was spot on, but also apparently these FAQs were date stamped to around a month or so ago, according to someone who is a tech wizard and was able to see that kind of info (well above my knowledge level of computers). So what was the reason for not releasing them at the same time as the main book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NauticalSoup Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Tropical Ghost General said: So the leak was spot on, but also apparently these FAQs were date stamped to around a month or so ago, according to someone who is a tech wizard and was able to see that kind of info (well above my knowledge level of computers). So what was the reason for not releasing them at the same time as the main book? Probably manpower. 40K is the big priority right now, it probably ended up in a pipeline somewhere and nobody looked at it again until whatever more important thing they were working on was capped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeblasky Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Well then, my mass Sisters of Thorn Hallowheart build now makes even more sense I guess x) Too bad there are no buffs to Sorceress on Black Dragon or Battlemage on a Griffon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandollies Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I’m guessing they were still toying around to the fixes to the gaunt summoners and OBR, two fixes I quite like (and yes I do play gaunt summoners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, NauticalSoup said: Probably manpower. 40K is the big priority right now, it probably ended up in a pipeline somewhere and nobody looked at it again until whatever more important thing they were working on was capped off. Are you serious? Manpower? Their company is huge - Updating the digital PDFs on their website shouldnt take days. It feels like a conscious decision not to do it but I really dont see what they gain from it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Syf Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Entombet said: You do not kill gotrek, you just avoid him That's all very well and good until he rocks up at an objective and wipes everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, El Syf said: That's all very well and good until he rocks up at an objective and wipes everything out. If he really was as broken as you suggest, dont you think more competitive lists would field him? It is exactly how you deal with Gotrek - Ignore him and focus on the other objectives. It is effectively 1500v2000 at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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