TheRealSigmar Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) So I’ve just been toying with the idea of buying 3 of the Start Collecting Anvilgard boxes, which works out to 1080 points all told. What are the thoughts on this is a competitive 1k list? it consists of the following; Black Ark Fleetmaster x3 - 180 Black Ark Corsairs x30 - 240 Scourgerunner Chariots x3 - 150 Kharibdyss x3 - 510 total - 1080 pts Edited May 5, 2020 by TheRealSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 one thing first: plz give your army list a continous format. It is bad to read. Well in this configuration I do not think it is a very competitive list, but it depends strongly what you are up against and which lists. The best unit in the list are the Scourgerunner Chariots. The lists competitiveness grows with those. If it is possible I would suggest to buy 10 more Corsairs to make it a 40 aelf blob. This one can be a tough nut to crack on a objective. The fleetmasters are cheap, but very squishy. Overall your winning condition are mission objective not damage I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
readercolin Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Do you like the models? Sure, go for it. However, the only model in the list that makes competitive lists sometimes is the scourgerunner chariots. Everything else doesn't have the power to compete. The Black Ark Fleetmaster has literally 2 things going for him - he's cheap, and he makes scourgerunner chariots battleline. There is never a reason to run more than 1 of them for the battleline, and any additional ones are realistically a waste of space in the list. Once he's on the battlefield, he's kind of useless except in missions where hero's get bonuses to capturing objectives. The corsairs are a terrible warscroll as well. With the hand crossbows, they deal an average of 1 wound every 2 models, which would be fine if they could do it at 18"+. However, the 9" range makes it so that they realistically can get into range, shoot, charge, and then you remember just how terrible they are in melee. The ONLY real way to try to make them useful is if you arm them with 2 blades, in tempest eye, and try to buff them to 6 attacks each (though almost any other unit would be better) between the spell and the fleetmaster's command ability. Next, the Kharybdiss (or the hydra, which you can build from the same sprue). While they are undoubtably cool models, they are too inefficient for their points to be competitive. Casual? Go for it. But competitively you would be better focusing those points on a more efficient unit. However, do be aware that if you want to run 3 at 1k points you HAVE to go anvilguard because otherwise you would exceed your behemoth limit (2 for 1000 point games). Lastly, the chariots. Points wise, they are actually one of the most efficient shooting units available to the cities. They also have huge bases which makes it easy for them to deny space (assuming you are playing with any halfway decent amount of terrain). However, as you can see... efficient for their points doesn't fill up your army list all that much. So if you love the models and want to play them, then go for it casually. But most of those units won't see play in a competitive list, and if you are looking to play the cities competitively I would recommend looking elsewhere to start your collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 17 hours ago, TheRealSigmar said: So I’ve just been toying with the idea of buying 3 of the Start Collecting Anvilgard boxes, which works out to 1080 points all told. What are the thoughts on this is a competitive 1k list? it consists of the following; Black Ark Fleetmaster x3 - 180 Black Ark Corsairs x30 - 240 Scourgerunner Chariots x3 - 150 Kharibdyss x3 - 510 total - 1080 pts ...ah yeah. If you take the 10 additional corsairs you will drop one Kharibdyss. Can the rest of the points be filled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealSigmar Posted May 6, 2020 Author Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kaleun said: ...ah yeah. If you take the 10 additional corsairs you will drop one Kharibdyss. Can the rest of the points be filled? This could be something along those lines; Black Ark Fleetmaster - 60 40x Corsairs - 280 3x Scourgerunner Chariots - 150 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Total - 1000 Edited May 6, 2020 by TheRealSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landohammer Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 3 hours ago, TheRealSigmar said: This could be something along those lines; Black Ark Fleetmaster - 60 40x Corsairs - 280 3x Scourgerunner Chariots - 150 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Total - 1000 I think this would be a great army to learn with, and will be a relatively cheap way to get to 1000pts. However I can't say that it will be competitive. But thats totally fine. If you like the models then get them. However I would definitely convert your 2 extra Fleetmasters into Sorcerers or Battlemages though. Anvilguard has arguably THE MOST powerful spell in the game with Vitrolic Spray. So you definitely at least want a shot at casting it. If you want to be truly competitive with Dark Elves in a Cities army, then Black Guard, Darkshards, Sorceresses, and Dreadlords are probably a better idea. But unfortunately they don't have a Start Collecting kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 16 hours ago, TheRealSigmar said: This could be something along those lines; Black Ark Fleetmaster - 60 40x Corsairs - 280 3x Scourgerunner Chariots - 150 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Hydra - 170 Total - 1000 ok this looks fine and scaly. A few things: 1) as @readercolin mentioned already, you are forced to take Anvilguard in this configuration with the 3 behemoths 2) I think you did the best possible setup you could achieve with your model planning. However I wouldnt build and paint all 3 Hydras. Swap one for a Kharybdiss if you want to to make your hobby feeling more diverse. Khary is a bit weaker then the Hydra, but she is such a beauty ❤️ My Hydra/Kharybdiss (her name is Scylla) is completely magnetised so I can swap the heads and the tail. It was a big effort but worth in my opinion. It will be tricky with the color scheme though, but it works. Overall I think you will enjoy your army. Give it a story and a background! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antali Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) Hello for everyone. I would like to play with mostly Shadowblades unites. Starting with 1000 point army. What is your thoughts, can be a competitive army? ShadowBlades.pdf Edited November 20, 2020 by Antali 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Anvilgard is dead, long live Har Kuron! (Someone has to fuel the flames of rivalry and revenge xD) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antali Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I guess will remain to been loyalist So army idea with Shadowblades: Assasin - 80 (General) Assasin - 80 Assasin - 80 Assasin - 80 10 Shadow Warriors - 110 10 Shadow Warriors - 110 10 Shadow Warriors - 110 War Hydra - 170 War Hydra - 170 Total: 990 point Is it can be good and competitive ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Isle Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The Hydras might make the mission less sneaky! Get some Dark Riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evantas Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 1:57 AM, Antali said: Hello for everyone. I would like to play with mostly Shadowblades unites. Starting with 1000 point army. What is your thoughts, can be a competitive army?ShadowBlades.pdf 5.73 MB · 4 downloads Define what you mean by competitive? From my perspective, I don't see much competitive games at 1000pts, even counting meeting engagements. At 2k points, if you are playing Anvilguard, it's already not really competitive. However lists like the below could work, and is as optimized for Anvilguard as they come: If you are building towards competitive and want to fill 1k points, I think 1 start collecting and 1 Kraeth's shadowpact box makes more sense. It'll give you 1040 points total, and nothing is terrible, helps you to figure out what you want eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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