War machine picking targets

[The Jabber Tzeentch]

Annoyingly the new Grand Alliance boom didn't clarify this on the warscrolls. What's your thoughts and reasoning?

When a war machine is attacked in shooting or combat, who chooses if it's either the war machine or crew that are targets? 

Can the attacker choose to target the crew or the warmachine in shooting? Or does the whole Warscroll have to be targeted and then the owner decides where wounds are allocated?

[Ben]

2 separate units, so much also be deployed separately right?

[Nico]

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We always play it as the defender can pick where to start allocating wounds. But once you have started to allocate wounds to a model you must continue to do so until it is slain (SCGT house rules).

It's subtly different from that from memory, you have to pick the majority save first, e.g. if two crew and 1 machine, you go with the crew. Thereafter, as you say, you stick with the model already damaged.

 

 

[stocke2]

On 6/3/2016 at 4:37 PM, hobgoblinclub said:

Ah sorry, that's just the one I meant. Assumed you'd not seen it. We had some serious debate about this one. Being able to target crew separately has definitely put me off running dwarfs. 

I think war machines are a thing of the past....it seems that most units like that are now do not have separate crew, instead the crew are integral part of the unit itself...I think the only ones left now are old units and they don't seem to be releasing anything new like that....I am surprised they didn't change those as well to include the crew in the statline already

[Nico]

The draft FAQs address this from memory - basically - you can shoot the crew - attacker picks. 

Also from memory, I think the SCGT house rule on this point was deleted following the actual tournament, so the GW rule would stand.

[c12]

Never faced the case, but let's say the crew of a duardin canon is killed.

Can a enemy unit with the crew keyword use the canon to shoot the rest of the Duardin army?

[hobgoblinclub]

2 hours ago, stocke2 said:

when did they put out an official FAQ?....the initial FAQ on facebook was not finalized and they said they were going to release an official one shortly...and yes I believe they say you pick between weapon and crew

Ah sorry, that's just the one I meant. Assumed you'd not seen it. We had some serious debate about this one. Being able to target crew separately has definitely put me off running dwarfs. 

[stocke2]

14 minutes ago, hobgoblinclub said:

They put out an official FAQ and ruled you could pick between the crew and the warmachine when targeting them, I think. 

Hang on, I'll try and find the FAQ... 

Does this link work? https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=468270803369718&id=452117934985005&set=pcb.468272163369582&source=48

when did they put out an official FAQ?....the initial FAQ on facebook was not finalized and they said they were going to release an official one shortly...and yes I believe they say you pick between weapon and crew

[hobgoblinclub]

1 hour ago, stocke2 said:

you're right, the way they put pictures for both threw me off....I don't expect them to put rules clarifications like that in warscrolls though...I expect they will pus put an official faq soon, and hopefully update the rules sheet...and I expect they may clarify things like this in the generals companion book this summer

They put out an official FAQ and ruled you could pick between the crew and the warmachine when targeting them, I think. 

Hang on, I'll try and find the FAQ... 

Does this link work? https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=468270803369718&id=452117934985005&set=pcb.468272163369582&source=48

[stocke2]

On 5/12/2016 at 3:58 PM, hobgoblinclub said:

Yep.  This would be much easier.  I imagine any future releases (if we ever see warmachines again) will be single based.

you're right, the way they put pictures for both threw me off....I don't expect them to put rules clarifications like that in warscrolls though...I expect they will pus put an official faq soon, and hopefully update the rules sheet...and I expect they may clarify things like this in the generals companion book this summer

[hobgoblinclub]

1 hour ago, stocke2 said:

no need to clarify on the second warscroll because it is no longer a "WAR MACHINE"(look at the keywords) and does not have a separate crew,  they can not be killed by themselves...they are part of the cannon

They're two separate units (sort of rolled into one).

'A warmachine and a unit of duardin crew.'

[stocke2]

On 4/21/2016 at 2:35 AM, The Jabber Tzeentch said:

Annoyingly the new Grand Alliance boom didn't clarify this on the warscrolls. What's your thoughts and reasoning?

When a war machine is attacked in shooting or combat, who chooses if it's either the war machine or crew that are targets? 

Can the attacker choose to target the crew or the warmachine in shooting? Or does the whole Warscroll have to be targeted and then the owner decides where wounds are allocated?

no need to clarify on the second warscroll because it is no longer a "WAR MACHINE"(look at the keywords) and does not have a separate crew,  they can not be killed by themselves...they are part of the cannon

[hobgoblinclub]

Yep.  This would be much easier.  I imagine any future releases (if we ever see warmachines again) will be single based.

[Terry Pike]

If you are playing at an event, best to check with the TO or house rules. I would hope they just remove crew from the game in future as they have done with the Warp Lightning Cannon and Plague Claw, just put it all in one scroll, up the wounds and remove any need to targeting issues or FAQ's.

[hobgoblinclub]

Yeah. It's been FAQed. You can pick targets. 

[Boiling Point]

I would say that as they have 2 different sets of saves, and wounds, they're run as two separate units, just one unit is controlling/using the other unit. And in that case the attacker can declare where their attacks go.

[Jimbo]

Tournament comp usually say no as well but I think they should be able to. Makes sense in that if my warmachine has been blown up, I'll go and use that spare one over there!

[BaldoBeardo]

Real query is whether crew can switch guns - because it specifies *its* crew, not *a* crew on the warscroll, would suggest no.

[StoneMonk]

some crew get +1 save for being near warmachine, and then in terrain may be harder to hit. Mystic shield must also be put on crew or machine, not both with one spell. So agree that generally target crew...but can be more difficult.

[Ben]

Out of range, or out of Line of sight

[Antipodean7]

So no one will ever target the war machine itself then (because why bother when you can just take out the easier to kill crew)?

[Big Jim]

According the the draft FAQ they are targeted separately, so I imagine that the attacker chooses which to hit.

 

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Q: With war machines and crew, how should you allocate wounds?

A: A war machine and its crew are two separate units, and so must be targeted separately.

 

[hobgoblinclub]

57 minutes ago, Ben said:

2 separate units, so much also be deployed separately right?

Hmn. I'd say not. 'A cannon consists of'. Is it two units in one warscroll? 

[Ben Johnson]

9 minutes ago, Ben said:

2 separate units, so much also be deployed separately right?

Exactly this. 

[Darth Alec]

That's the solution I've always preferred. Machine and Crew being two different units, none of this 8th ed holdover allocating. Also lets you run with crew/man other machines if you want.

[The Jabber Tzeentch]

Well this has just been answered on the FAQ