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I noticed that there is no thread for the new allegiance from Wrath of the Everchosen so I created this one. 

The army is an allegiance for all units that share the CHAOS and DAEMON keywords. This includes not only all daemon units from Blades of Khorne, Disciples of Tzeentch, Maggotkin of Nurgle and Hedonites of Slaanesh, but also some Slaves to Darkness and old Warriors of Chaos compendium units and even the Skaven Verminlords.

Here is my Legion of Chaos Ascendant at about 24000 points:

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Edit: my army roster:

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Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Archaon the Everchosen (800)
Kairos Fateweaver (400)
The Changeling (120)
The Blue Scribes (120)
Exalted Greater Daemon of Tzeentch (480)
Lord of Change (380)
Fateskimmer, Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot x2 (280)
Changecaster, Herald of Tzeentch x10 (1100)
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch x2 (480)
Be'Lakor (240)
Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount x5 (850)
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince x5 (1050)
Skarbrand (380)
Skulltaker (120)
Exalted Greater Daemon of Khorne (540)
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster x2 (600)
Herald of Khorne on Blood Throne (120)
Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne x2 (240)
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
Rotigus (340)
Epidemius Tallyman of Nurgle (200)
Horticulous Slimux (220)
Exalted Greater Daemon of Nurgle (400)
Great Unclean One (340)
Poxbringer Herald of Nurgle x2 (240)
Spoilpox Scrivener Herald of Nurgle (90)
Sloppity Bilepiper Herald of Nurgle (90)
Harbinger of Decay (160)
Lord of Afflictions (200)
The Masque (120)
Soulfeaster Keeper of Secrets (360)
Keeper of Secrets x2 (720)
Bladebringer, Herald on Exalted Chariot (220)
Bladebringer, Herald on Hellflayer (180)
Bladebringer, Herald on Seeker Chariot (160)
Viceleader, Herald of Slaanesh x2 (240)
Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh (140)
Warpgnaw Verminlord (260)
Verminlord Deceiver (320)

Battleline
70 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (1400)
60 x Bloodletters (660)
50 x Plaguebearers (600)
90 x Daemonettes (990)

Units
Karanak (140)
3 x K'Daai Fireborn (140)
33 x Blue Horrors of Tzeentch (330)
33 x Brimstone Horrors of Tzeentch (198)
2 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (200)
18 x Flamers of Tzeentch (720)
15 x Screamers of Tzeentch (400)
6 x Flesh Hounds (120)
9 x Bloodcrushers (360)
3 x Plague Drones (200)
6 x Nurglings (200)
4 x Beasts of Nurgle (320)
3 x Daemon Plague Toads of Nurgle (120)
3 x Daemon Pox Riders of Nurgle (200)
2 x Pusgoyle Blightlords (200)
22 x Seekers (528)
3 x Fiends (210)

Behemoths
Soul Grinder (210)
Chaos Dragon (340)

Artillery
1 x Skull Cannons (130)
1 x Hellcannon (300)

Battalions
Host of Rage (160)
Host of Corruption (180)
Host of the Arcane (120)
Host of the Depraved x2 (240)

Total: 23556
Extra Command Points: 5
Wounds: 1247

 

 

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What cheesy combo could we do with a verminLord? (Bad Pun intended) What are STD daemons? (I saw the daemon Prince but I had the impression that the other were beasts)

I really like this allegiance that reminds me good old chaos. I hope it will be able to survive in my (very) competitive club...

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This should be a complete list of all valid CHAOS DAEMON units:

Skull Cannons 1 3 130 390 Artillery
Hellcannon 1 1 300 300 Artillery
Bloodletters 10 30 110 300 Battleline
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 200 400 Battleline
Daemonettes 10 30 110 300 Battleline
Plaguebearers 10 30 120 320 Battleline
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne 1 1 80 80 Leader
Herald of Khorne on Blood Throne 1 1 120 120 Leader
Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne 1 1 120 120 Leader
Skulltaker 1 1 120 120 Leader
The Blue Scribes 1 1 120 120 Leader
Changecaster, Herald of Tzeentch 1 1 110 110 Leader
The Changeling 1 1 120 120 Leader
Fateskimmer, Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot 1 1 140 140 Leader
Fluxmaster, Herald of Tzeentch on Disc 1 1 130 130 Leader
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch 1 1 240 240 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Exalted Chariot 1 1 220 220 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Hellflayer 1 1 180 180 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Seeker Chariot 1 1 160 160 Leader
The Contorted Epitome 1 1 200 200 Leader
Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh 1 1 140 140 Leader
Syll'Esske, the Vengeful Alliance 1 1 200 200 Leader
The Masque 1 1 120 120 Leader
Viceleader, Herald of Slaanesh 1 1 120 120 Leader
Epidemius, Tallyman of Nurgle 1 1 200 200 Leader
Harbinger of Decay 1 1 160 160 Leader
Horticulous Slimux 1 1 220 220 Leader
Lord of Afflictions 1 1 200 200 Leader
Poxbringer, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 120 120 Leader
Sloppity Bilepiper, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 90 90 Leader
Spoilpox Scrivener, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 90 90 Leader
Be’lakor 1 1 240 240 Leader
Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount 1 1 170 170 Leader
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince 1 1 210 210 Leader
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch 1 1 260 260 Leader
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage 1 1 270 270 Leader, Behemoth
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury 1 1 270 270 Leader, Behemoth
Skarbrand 1 1 380 380 Leader, Behemoth
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster 1 1 300 300 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Khorne 1 1 540 540 Leader, Behemoth
Kairos Fateweaver 1 1 400 400 Leader, Behemoth
Lord of Change 1 1 380 380 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Tzeentch 1 1 480 480 Leader, Behemoth
Keeper of Secrets 1 1 360 360 Leader, Behemoth
Shalaxi Helbane 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Soulfeaster Keeper of Secrets 1 1 360 360 Leader, Behemoth
Great Unclean One 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Rotigus 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Nurgle 1 1 400 400 Leader, Behemoth
Lord Skreech Verminking 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Corruptor 1 1 280 280 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Deceiver 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Warpbringer 1 1 280 280 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Warpseer 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Archaon the Everchosen 1 1 800 800 Leader, Behemoth
Mazarall the Butcher 1 1 340 340 Behemoth
Warpgnaw Verminlord 1 1 260 260 Behemoth
Soul Grinder 1 1 210 210 Behemoth
Chaos Dragon 1 1 340 340 Behemoth
Bloodcrushers 3 12 120 480  
Flesh Hounds 5 20 100 400  
Karanak 1 1 140 140  
Blue Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 100 200  
Brimstone Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 60 120  
Burning Chariots of Tzeentch 1 3 150 450  
Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch 1 6 100 600  
Flamers of Tzeentch 3 12 120 480  
Screamers of Tzeentch 3 12 80 320  
Exalted Chariot 1 1 180 180  
Fiends 3 9 210 630  
Hellflayer 1 1 140 140  
Seeker Chariots 1 3 120 360  
Seekers 5 20 120 480  
K’daai Fireborn 3 12 140 480  
Beasts of Nurgle 1 6 80 480  
Nurglings 3 12 100 400  
Plague Drones 3 12 200 800  
Pusgoyle Blightlords 2 12 200 1200  
Furies 6 30 100 500  
Daemon Plague Toads of Nurgle 3 12 120 400  
Daemon Pox Riders of Nurgle 3 12 160 640  

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10 hours ago, Duke of Gisoreux said:

This should be a complete list of all valid CHAOS DAEMON units:

Skull Cannons 1 3 130 390 Artillery
Hellcannon 1 1 300 300 Artillery
Bloodletters 10 30 110 300 Battleline
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 200 400 Battleline
Daemonettes 10 30 110 300 Battleline
Plaguebearers 10 30 120 320 Battleline
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne 1 1 80 80 Leader
Herald of Khorne on Blood Throne 1 1 120 120 Leader
Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne 1 1 120 120 Leader
Skulltaker 1 1 120 120 Leader
The Blue Scribes 1 1 120 120 Leader
Changecaster, Herald of Tzeentch 1 1 110 110 Leader
The Changeling 1 1 120 120 Leader
Fateskimmer, Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot 1 1 140 140 Leader
Fluxmaster, Herald of Tzeentch on Disc 1 1 130 130 Leader
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch 1 1 240 240 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Exalted Chariot 1 1 220 220 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Hellflayer 1 1 180 180 Leader
Bladebringer, Herald on Seeker Chariot 1 1 160 160 Leader
The Contorted Epitome 1 1 200 200 Leader
Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh 1 1 140 140 Leader
Syll'Esske, the Vengeful Alliance 1 1 200 200 Leader
The Masque 1 1 120 120 Leader
Viceleader, Herald of Slaanesh 1 1 120 120 Leader
Epidemius, Tallyman of Nurgle 1 1 200 200 Leader
Harbinger of Decay 1 1 160 160 Leader
Horticulous Slimux 1 1 220 220 Leader
Lord of Afflictions 1 1 200 200 Leader
Poxbringer, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 120 120 Leader
Sloppity Bilepiper, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 90 90 Leader
Spoilpox Scrivener, Herald of Nurgle 1 1 90 90 Leader
Be’lakor 1 1 240 240 Leader
Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount 1 1 170 170 Leader
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince 1 1 210 210 Leader
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch 1 1 260 260 Leader
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage 1 1 270 270 Leader, Behemoth
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury 1 1 270 270 Leader, Behemoth
Skarbrand 1 1 380 380 Leader, Behemoth
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster 1 1 300 300 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Khorne 1 1 540 540 Leader, Behemoth
Kairos Fateweaver 1 1 400 400 Leader, Behemoth
Lord of Change 1 1 380 380 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Tzeentch 1 1 480 480 Leader, Behemoth
Keeper of Secrets 1 1 360 360 Leader, Behemoth
Shalaxi Helbane 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Soulfeaster Keeper of Secrets 1 1 360 360 Leader, Behemoth
Great Unclean One 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Rotigus 1 1 340 340 Leader, Behemoth
Exalted Greater Daemon of Nurgle 1 1 400 400 Leader, Behemoth
Lord Skreech Verminking 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Corruptor 1 1 280 280 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Deceiver 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Warpbringer 1 1 280 280 Leader, Behemoth
Verminlord Warpseer 1 1 320 320 Leader, Behemoth
Archaon the Everchosen 1 1 800 800 Leader, Behemoth
Mazarall the Butcher 1 1 340 340 Behemoth
Warpgnaw Verminlord 1 1 260 260 Behemoth
Soul Grinder 1 1 210 210 Behemoth
Chaos Dragon 1 1 340 340 Behemoth
Bloodcrushers 3 12 120 480  
Flesh Hounds 5 20 100 400  
Karanak 1 1 140 140  
Blue Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 100 200  
Brimstone Horrors of Tzeentch 10 20 60 120  
Burning Chariots of Tzeentch 1 3 150 450  
Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch 1 6 100 600  
Flamers of Tzeentch 3 12 120 480  
Screamers of Tzeentch 3 12 80 320  
Exalted Chariot 1 1 180 180  
Fiends 3 9 210 630  
Hellflayer 1 1 140 140  
Seeker Chariots 1 3 120 360  
Seekers 5 20 120 480  
K’daai Fireborn 3 12 140 480  
Beasts of Nurgle 1 6 80 480  
Nurglings 3 12 100 400  
Plague Drones 3 12 200 800  
Pusgoyle Blightlords 2 12 200 1200  
Furies 6 30 100 500  
Daemon Plague Toads of Nurgle 3 12 120 400  
Daemon Pox Riders of Nurgle 3 12 160 640  

It's a lot of options when you see it as list like that 😁

Do we see any cool/strong combos or "must haves"?

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There is a strong chance I bring this to heat 2. Also anyone know what base the Hellcannon is on? Doesn't seem to be on the base size faq.

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First, Thanks for create this forum.

i have a question about "the shadow legion" command ability. Can we return slains models to bloodcrushers, seekers...? Or only battleline like bloodletters, pink horrors, daemonettes?

Thanks. :)

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12 minutes ago, tato492 said:

First, Thanks for create this forum.

i have a question about "the shadow legion" command ability. Can we return slains models to bloodcrushers, seekers...? Or only battleline like bloodletters, pink horrors, daemonettes?

Thanks. :)

It's only the "main" 4 battleline daemons like Bloodletters etc 

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25 minutes ago, NinjaBadger7 said:

It's only the "main" 4 battleline daemons like Bloodletters etc 

OOOhhh. Bad.
 

I thought that as they have the keyword bloodletter, daemonette, etc. It could be done.

Many thanks

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Hello, I was thinking about giving this army a shot. I am not a big fan of Be'lakor since I dislike the model, so no Legion of the First Prince for me. How would you build an army list for the faction?

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7 hours ago, tato492 said:

OOOhhh. Bad.
 

I thought that as they have the keyword bloodletter, daemonette, etc. It could be done.

Many thanks

Will have to wait till the book is in hand and I'm not reading stills from youtube videos of reviewers to confirm but I think you can resurrect models from bloodcrushers, seekers etc. As you said, the ability has the KEYWORD of bloodletter etc so I think you were correct in your thinking.

 

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1 hour ago, Lure Of The Gods said:

Will have to wait till the book is in hand and I'm not reading stills from youtube videos of reviewers to confirm but I think you can resurrect models from bloodcrushers, seekers etc. As you said, the ability has the KEYWORD of bloodletter etc so I think you were correct in your thinking.

 

All the keywords mentioned in the ability are plural so (BLOODLETTERS etc) where as Bloodcrushers have Bloodletter singular, hence my thinking of it being restricted to the basic daemons.

But I could be wrong! Haha

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GW once stated that singular or plural keywords are interchangeable. For example they often refer to the HEROES keyword in rules, but no warscroll has that keyword, but only the singular keyword HERO.

So you can use the "Shadow Legion" command ability on the following units:

BLOODLETTER keyword:

  • Skull Cannons
  • Bloodletters
  • Bloodcrushers

HORRORS OF TZEENTCH keyword:

  • Pink Horrors of Tzeentch
  • Blue Horrors of Tzeentch
  • Brimstone Horrors of Tzeentch

PLAGUEBEARER keyword:

  • Plaguebearers
  • Plague Drones
  • Daemon Pox Riders of Nurgle

DAEMONETTE keyword:

  • Daemonettes
  • Seeker Chariots
  • Seekers

Of course there are a lot of leaders that also have these keywords, but as they are only one model each, you can't bring back slain models. The ability only works on units with more than one model.

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1 hour ago, Duke of Gisoreux said:

GW once stated that singular or plural keywords are interchangeable. For example they often refer to the HEROES keyword in rules, but no warscroll has that keyword, but only the singular keyword HERO.

So you can use the "Shadow Legion" command ability on the following units:

BLOODLETTER keyword:

  • Skull Cannons
  • Bloodletters
  • Bloodcrushers

HORRORS OF TZEENTCH keyword:

  • Pink Horrors of Tzeentch
  • Blue Horrors of Tzeentch
  • Brimstone Horrors of Tzeentch

PLAGUEBEARER keyword:

  • Plaguebearers
  • Plague Drones
  • Daemon Pox Riders of Nurgle

DAEMONETTE keyword:

  • Daemonettes
  • Seeker Chariots
  • Seekers

Of course there are a lot of leaders that also have these keywords, but as they are only one model each, you can't bring back slain models. The ability only works on units with more than one model.

Ah that's fair enough, must have been a FAQ that didn't sink in!

Quite a lot of people still believe they aren't interchangeable (or don't know that it's been confirmed) so hopefully this book will reinforce that rule for others :)

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Q: Sometimes a keyword will be listed in its singular form  in one place and its plural form in another. Are the plural  and singular forms both considered to be different keywords?  For example, are the Bloodletter keyword and the  Bloodletters keyword different keywords?
A: No. The singular and plural forms of a keyword are  synonymous for rules purposes.

 

I don't know if this faq can help.  But when i read it,  I thought we can return the slain models. :)

Thanks to all for the answers

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I do like the sound of Verminlords with a double 5++ 😁

 

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So the Chaos Dragon has 14" flying movement, 2d6 shots at 9" 3+/3+/‐1/1, another 9" shooting attack for D3 mortals that has a 50% chance of another mortal for anything that attack kills, 2 casts/unbinds, and a spell that causes a unit  within 18" to fight itself on a 7 to cast. 

Seems like a fun model but 10 wounds at 340 points seems a little fragile

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I'm trying to work out if a verminlord corrupter with the relic that does d3 mortal wounds on a 5+ to hit is worth it. 10 attacks , 5's do d3 MW and 6's do d3+1 MW, if you have a spare CP you can reroll any hits that weren't 5's and 6's....

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13 minutes ago, Lure Of The Gods said:

I'm trying to work out if a verminlord corrupter with the relic that does d3 mortal wounds on a 5+ to hit is worth it. 10 attacks , 5's do d3 MW and 6's do d3+1 MW, if you have a spare CP you can reroll any hits that weren't 5's and 6's....

I'd say it definitely is, especially if you run the 5++ bubble command trait either on it or another nearby hero. Corruptors are already amazing assassins with the Sword of Judgement, and this relic is arguably better because it isn't affected by negative to-hit modifiers (and from memory, there's no good/easy way to combine +1 to-hit with the SoJ on a Corruptor?) It's also extremely tough with the double 5++ (I can't be bothered doing the maths but I think you ignore something like nearly 50% of all damage taken!) if you aren't running Be'lakors sub-faction. I'm looking at trying three/four Verminlords, the Changeling, the Masque (you need god-marked heroes to summon daemons in this allegiance) and a mix of Horrors and Daemonettes as a side project. This allegiance is amazing specifically because it gives people like me an excuse to collect cool models tied to armies I otherwise can't afford or don't want to play, and I adore the Verminlord models.

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Most degenerate 1000pt list I can think of


Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant

Leaders
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- General
- Trait: Primordial Commander
- Artefact: Fourfold Blade
- Lore of Ruinous Sorcery:  Bolt of Ruin
Verminlord Deceiver (320)
- Lore of Ruinous Sorcery: Echo of Hatred

Battleline
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)

Total: 1000 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 44 

Deceiver casts echo then skitterleaps corruptor in, corruptor cast the 2 anti horde spells, rest of army advances towards objectives, corrupter summons plaguebearers behind him, corruptor charges, corrutor does  ~14 mortal wounds from his attacks. Now they have to deal with an effectively 27 wound model who just put a decent size dent in their entire army if all the spells went off while the rest of your army marches forward. Skitterleap also has a 26" range if you want to try and evac your corruptor

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Hellcannons are pretty awesome and can outrange so many threats.....trick is to keep the crew alive.  Though now that I write this, the crew are NOT daemons.  So I don't think those can be in this all daemons allegiance?

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5 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said:

Hellcannons are pretty awesome and can outrange so many threats.....trick is to keep the crew alive.  Though now that I write this, the crew are NOT daemons.  So I don't think those can be in this all daemons allegiance?

I would say not? The cannon meets the criteria but the crew doesn't but I could be wrong!

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The Hellcannon Warscrolls has two sets of keywords, one of which - the war machine - includes 'daemon'.  While the 'crew' may not, you aren't taking a warscoll of them + a warscroll of war machines; the warscroll is the Hellcannon, and it has the daemon keyword through the war machine. No reason, to my mind, you couldn't take it.

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On 2/7/2020 at 7:43 AM, TonyH122 said:

The Hellcannon Warscrolls has two sets of keywords, one of which - the war machine - includes 'daemon'.  While the 'crew' may not, you aren't taking a warscoll of them + a warscroll of war machines; the warscroll is the Hellcannon, and it has the daemon keyword through the war machine. No reason, to my mind, you couldn't take it.

Isn’t the Hellcannon scheduled to move to legends?  Indeed it is no longer produced..

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Finally I can play my mixed Daemons again. Always liked the mix of the chaos gods =).

This is what I will try tonight (1000 Points) against maybe Stormcast, Flesh Eater Courts (Gristlegore) or maybe some oldschool woodelves (with 30 waywatchers XD)

 

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- General
Ruinous Aura
- Sword
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- Sword
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle

Battleline
10 x Plaguebearers (120)
10 x Plaguebearers (120)

Units
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)

Total: 1000 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 58

 

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1 hour ago, Darksider said:

Finally I can play my mixed Daemons again. Always liked the mix of the chaos gods =).

This is what I will try tonight (1000 Points) against maybe Stormcast, Flesh Eater Courts (Gristlegore) or maybe some oldschool woodelves (with 30 waywatchers XD)

 

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- General
Ruinous Aura
- Sword
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- Sword
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle

Battleline
10 x Plaguebearers (120)
10 x Plaguebearers (120)

Units
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)

Total: 1000 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 58

 

The Mark of Nurgle does nothing for the list. In fact, Mark of Khorne would be much better because you can get an additional shooting phase then.

 

@all:

What are the benefits of Legion of Chaos Ascendant? Why not just Grand Alliance Chaos instead?

 

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