Aos 2 - Lumineth Realm-Lords Discussion

[Ian Wallsh]

Hmmm just a thought regarding the whole "Bases" thing, is it not possible they may be using larger bases just for the purposes of promoting the miniatures.......? 

[LuminethMage]

6 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:

where is that Zenith Warden art from? not seeing anything on community site?

also dang, didn't mean to start spear discourse 😅 I highly doubt they will be one-use weapons as they are constantly mentioned as a Phalanx Unit. But it will be interesting to see how the two weapon profiles differ in both statline and usage.

It's the art of the Warden they use in the article. The close up on the face on the wedge to the article and the full Warden in the article next to the "Who Are They" caption: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/10/the-lumineth-lowdown-part-2-spear-phalanxes-and-runic-symbolismgw-homepage-post-2/ 

Because he has fiery eyes, and a fiery or sun color scheme some of us just called him Zenith Warden. 

[Koradrel of Chrace]

Heh, not going to lie, Zenith Wardens gives me a strong Power Rangers vibe.  I will probably have to resist saying, "Go go Zenith Wardens!" while playing....

[CommissarRotke]

1 hour ago, LuminethMage said:

It's the art of the Warden they use in the article. The close up on the face on the wedge to the article and the full Warden in the article next to the "Who Are They" caption: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/10/the-lumineth-lowdown-part-2-spear-phalanxes-and-runic-symbolismgw-homepage-post-2/ 

Because he has fiery eyes, and a fiery or sun color scheme some of us just called him Zenith Warden. 

oohh i thought y'all meant the blue one ha

[LuminethMage]

The blue one has a combined Mountain/River rune on his breastplate. So it's a Mounver Warden, or maybe Rivtain? :😅

 

[Icarion]

As many, I'm excited to get my brush on some Lumineth, so to tide myself over I decided to take a crack at some Lumineth Themed terrain for my gaming table. 

One of the features I loved the most in the reveal trailer were the magically floating rocks that GW's scenery department made to compliment the Lumineth to I attempted to replicate that to spruce up the bases for these Aelven Waystones.

[Acid_Nine]

@Athrawes I would absolutely love a tutorial on how you did that! 

 

As as much as I hope it is at least 50% GW bits so I can bring it into the bloody store I play at!

[LuminethMage]

So, as we have nothing much to do besides  speculations, how about having some fun with the names? So far we have: 

Vanari Auralan Wardens

Vanari Dawnriders

Auralan Sentinels

And we know that there is a Tyrionic/Teclian, Sun/Moon dichotomy thing going on, and the Vanari Auralan Wardens having both. So might those be the Lumenithian names for this? Vanari being the Sun/Tyrion aspect? Because "Dawnrider"? And Auralan the moon aspect? Or the other way round? 

Of course in the article they also call the Vanari Auralan Wardens just Auralan Wardens, and the Dawnriders are also equipped with moon symbols on their shields, so this could be something totally different. Any ideas? 

[Lucur]

I think vanari is just a play on the latin word venari which means to hunt. It's the added copyrightability i guess

I'd assume the Tyrionic and Teclian parts will be subfactions rather than individual model lines. We don't want to be excluded feom playing with all the shiny toys after all. Then again i could be totally wrong and they could come up with dual kits for all the things and split them between sun aelves and moon aelves...

[Mr2spyderguy]

3 hours ago, Lucur said:

I think vanari is just a play on the latin word venari which means to hunt. It's the added copyrightability i guess

I kind of thought that Vanari was going to be something kind of like namarti, like the caste they come from, or maybe a city/region of hyrish that they hail from. Something more lore-ish and less mechanical in significance.

As far as the dual kits and names, I hope, as Lucur stated, that we are not restricted to either playing with one half or the other, unless we have both BBGG models in our army. That being said Think it might be cool to have dual kits with sun vs moon aspect as long as we can play with them all together in legal matched play.

Venari moon riders - could be the opposite half of the dawn riders kit and be archers with spears kind of like the old reavers.

Did they specifically name them Auralan sentinels, I dont remember and have been trying to stay away from reading the same info over and over again on the community page. really want to see some new models, but I guess we wont until they have placed out all the lore bits they want to for the current models

[LuminethMage]

Yup, they named them in the 2nd lowdown. And I don’t think that any of the troops we have seen so far will be exclusive to one character. These seem to be the most basic troop types. Might just be they get some kind of bonus if the right character is there. 

We also have the four spirits which might give special traits, and then things like the High Warden which seems to be doing something similar. It’ll be interesting to see how this all comes together. 

There might be some dual kits for the special troops, like a Swordmaster type for Teclis and a White Lion type for Tyrion. I also hope though there won’t be any restrictions. 

 

[CommissarRotke]

9 hours ago, LuminethMage said:

So, as we have nothing much to do besides  speculations, how about having some fun with the names? So far we have: 

Vanari Auralan Wardens

Vanari Dawnriders

Auralan Sentinels

And we know that there is a Tyrionic/Teclian, Sun/Moon dichotomy thing going on, and the Vanari Auralan Wardens having both. So might those be the Lumenithian names for this? Vanari being the Sun/Tyrion aspect? Because "Dawnrider"? And Auralan the moon aspect? Or the other way round? 

Of course in the article they also call the Vanari Auralan Wardens just Auralan Wardens, and the Dawnriders are also equipped with moon symbols on their shields, so this could be something totally different. Any ideas? 

we'll see when the cavalry article comes out probably, I was under the impression that the spears, bows, and cav were all Auralan

[Aloth_Corfiser]

Regarding the Troops - I really hope that the Lumineth do not have a caste System :D
What I kind of missed in the Article about the Wardens was some sort of explanation of who they really are: Full Time Soldiers? Organised in military Orders? Militia?
What I always liked about good old Ulthuan was that the Spearmen and Archers were the Militia (just so unique for Elves!) - I doubt that the Lumineth will be having a Militia of some sort and that the Vanari / Auralan Units are professionals. Just my personal opinion - but the "lowest" Troops are always the best, the Bread and Butter, the foremost Defence, the Ones who suffer the most, but victory would be impossible without them.
Recently I downloaded a mod for Medieval 2 - "Call of Warhammer Beginning of the End Times" and the High Elven Voicelines struck me as being surprisingly good and flavourful.
For ex:    "The Horror of War is the burden of all."    "The Citizen Levy of Ulthuan stands united!"   "Watch your comrades!"  
I  hope that the Lumineth consider every life of their kin  worth saving - perhaps the younger ones watch out for each other, because they are still more emotional.  Now the Auralan Sentinels are my most anticipated release ever! give us the Modellsssss!   😄

[PlayerOfGames]

My thoughts / speculations / hopes so far:

There will be two main factions, first led by Teclis:

• represents moon
• ranged+magic focused
• Troops with Auralan keyword can be selected as battleline
• several subfactions (e.g., mountain or river specialisation or no specialisation)

Second led by Tyrion:

• represents sun
• melee focused
• Troops with Vanari keyword can be selected as battleline
• several subfactions (e.g., zenith or wind specialisation or no specialisation)

Aetherquartz: I expect some once-per battle effect, with the effect depending on the unit and/or the subfaction/element

Weapon profiles: standard units hitting on 3s (elves are accurate), wounding on 4s (most elves don't hit hard) with -1 rend (weapons forged from great materials and/or with magic) would be nice, with elite units wounding on 3s and multiple attacks and/or more than 1 damage

Units I'd like to see:

Light infantry

• Spearmen (already presented:  Vanari Auralan Wardens)
• Archers (already confirmed: Auralan Sentinels)
• Spearmen with Bows (similar to Lothern Seaguard)
• Infiltrators with bows (copy/paste of Shadowwarriors + Aetherquartz would be nice)

Elite infantry

• With greatswords (similar to Swordmasters, Auralan keyword?)
• With axes (similar to Lions, Vanari keyword?)

Cavalry

• Light cavalry with lances/spears (already presented:  Vanari Dawnriders)
• Light cavalry with Bows ("Auralan Duskriders" anyone? 😉)
• Heavy cavalry on 'monstrous' steeds
• Flying unit (could be the same unit as the heavy cavalry)

Named characters:

• Teclis (already presented); a cheaper version without Celennar would be nice
• Tyrion on some monster (dragon/griffon/phoenix)
• Eltharion (already presented)

Standard characters:

• 3 'Combat heroes' (on foot, on horse, on dragon/griffon/phoenix)
• 3 wizards (on foot, on horse, on dragon/griffion/phoenix); with different spells depending  on subfaction/element

... and of course repeater bolt throwers
. That's a lot to hope for, but GW had literally Ages (of Sigmar) to prepare that new faction  😁

[Koradrel of Chrace]

I'm not entirely sure the Light of Eltharion is a unique character.  I think he might be more like what they did for Durthu in Sylvaneth.

[Mr2spyderguy]

I know I will be in the minority on this one, I really hope that they do not include the bolt thrower, I know I said they would probably, but I have always loathed the bolt throwers from WHFB. I want to see something more fantastic than a bolt thrower.... yes I know that the sigmarines have bolt throwers...

[CommissarRotke]

31 minutes ago, Mr2spyderguy said:

I know I will be in the minority on this one, I really hope that they do not include the bolt thrower, I know I said they would probably, but I have always loathed the bolt throwers from WHFB. I want to see something more fantastic than a bolt thrower.... yes I know that the sigmarines have bolt throwers...

what about a bolt thrower... on a flying chariot?

[Koradrel of Chrace]

I'm with @Mr2spyderguy on this one.  The bolt thrower was fine for it's time, but I want something more in keeping with the AOS aesthetic.  There has also been hints of magical bombardments in the lore so far.  Now, this could just be magical attacks, or it could be alluding to some new war machine.

[PiotrW]

Seeing that there is a Lumineth-related thread...

Could you guys help me with understanding Teclis and Tyrion? They've been mentioned in the AoS fluff in many places, but I have no idea who they actually are. With the Lumineth being revealed now, I understand that Teclis is an aelf-turned-god who created them. I also gather that Tyrion is his brother (and not the Westeros character). But what are these guys like, actually? What was their role in the old Warhammer setting?

Also, what's up with the "hero resurgent" part of the Lumineth trailer on Warhammer TV? I suppose it's the "hollow armour" guy... but who is that - some other WFB character?

And as we're speaking of aelf characters, who is Malerion (aside from being Morathi's son?) BTW. I certainly hope we won't get any big Dark / Shadow Aelf faction that will assimilate Daughters of Khaine! I love Morathi and her serpent women and I'd prefer them to stay distinct. And I actually like the idea of there being many unrelated factions of weird aelves. Introducing a High / Light and Dark / Shadow aelf split would be dated and very D&D...

[Mr2spyderguy]

1 hour ago, CommissarRotke said:

what about a bolt thrower... on a flying chariot?

Not interested. Make it a flying chariot that drops magic bombs... that sounds cool!

[Koradrel of Chrace]

@PiotrW You, my friend, have asked the question of questions.  Tyrion, Teclis, and Malekith (Malarion's original name) are three of the most impotant Elven characters in the Old World.  All three are descendants of Aenarion, the original Phoenix King of the Elves.  Your best bet is to look up the History of the Elves of Warhammer on youtube and settle in.  Unfortunately there is no quick answer to that question.  There have been entire trilogies written about these characters, with Malekith being on par with Nagash as one of the big bad guys of the setting.

[TheadTheOgorSlayer]

11 minutes ago, PiotrW said:

Seeing that there is a Lumineth-related thread...

Could you guys help me with understanding Teclis and Tyrion? They've been mentioned in the AoS fluff in many places, but I have no idea who they actually are. With the Lumineth being revealed now, I understand that Teclis is an aelf-turned-god who created them. I also gather that Tyrion is his brother (and not the Westeros character). But what are these guys like, actually? What was their role in the old Warhammer setting?

Also, what's up with the "hero resurgent" part of the Lumineth trailer on Warhammer TV? I suppose it's the "hollow armour" guy... but who is that - some other WFB character?

And as we're speaking of aelf characters, who is Malerion (aside from being Morathi's son?) BTW. I certainly hope we won't get any big Dark / Shadow Aelf faction that will assimilate Daughters of Khaine! I love Morathi and her serpent women and I'd prefer them to stay distinct. And I actually like the idea of there being many unrelated factions of weird aelves. Introducing a High / Light and Dark / Shadow aelf split would be dated and very D&D...

If you want a quick explanation, malerion was once an elf named malekith (the same name as the marvel villain)

this elf wished to lead the elves as a Phoenix king if I recall correctly, his mother (Morathi)  helped him in this regard for her own selfish reasons. They eventually succeeded and he was allowed to take the initiation ritual. This ritual involved being on fire until the gods recognized you as worthy. Malekith stepped into the flames and was wrought in so much pain he gave up before he could be crowned king. It is then revealed in the end times that he really was the chosen one, and just needed to wait in the flames for a few more seconds. Anyways Morathi heals him I think and I’m missing a whole bunch of info but civil war of sorts starts between malekith and his loyal followers and the elves. Malekith is then exiled after the conflict, retreating north to carve out his own empire with his conniving mother Morathi. These elves following him become the dark elves, and the elves that exiled them are the high elves.

 

during the endtimes he leads the elves against chaos under one banner. After the old worlds destruction he was fused with his dragon and took the name malerion. He found himself in shadow (I assume someplace in the realm of shadow) and eventually was able to make himself a physical form. He found more creatures like him (dragon elf demon things, demon meaning monster and not actual chaos daemons) and he found his mother as well. Now he controls the realm of shadow, and every attacking army finds themselves swallowed by darkness before disappearing forever, presumably dragged away by malerions elves in the gloom.

 

this explanation is from my own headcannon and hearsay as I’ve never read any actual elf lore! Please correct me if I’m wrong but that seems what I understand 

[Koradrel of Chrace]

You have the high points correct.  What you miss out on is that Malekith caused the civil war between High and Dark Elves, assassinating Bel Shanar because the Princes picked him over Malekith to be king.  He then butchered his way into the Shrine of Asuryan.  Afterwards his burns were so bad Morathi had a suit of armor magically forged to his wasted frame to give him strength.  Even after he eventually lost his first assualt on Ulthuan, which culminated in him sinking a huge chunk of the northern coast, he remained a huge threat to all of the good aligned races.  He was responsible for the Dwarf-Elf wars, dressing his warriors as High Elves and attacking Dwarven caravans.  When Tyrion and Teclis arise to oppose him is when things really kick off.

[Dollface]

5 hours ago, Mr2spyderguy said:

I know I will be in the minority on this one, I really hope that they do not include the bolt thrower

I still think one of the "hammers" we saw is actually a counterweight for a Lumineth Trebuchet.

[Koradrel of Chrace]

Or it could be the focal point for some sort of tower or plinth that fires magical bolts at anything in range.  It could be a combined terrain piece and artillary!