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Aos 2 - Lumineth Realm-Lords Discussion

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13 hours ago, LuminethMage said:

First wave arrived 😍

 

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Lucky dude!!  That’s quite the haul! My FLGS is behind it’s order so I won’t get mine till next week.... 😒🤑

speaking of which: in the states, does anyone order online?  And if so, where’s the best/cheapest place you e found?

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on the topic of dice... I absolutely love mine. They are super fun to roll, and I think I'm going to find more. Anyone know what shape they are considered? I looked up barrel and crystal styles but they are not exactly the same.

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So I found that I like the Scinari Cathallar model much more in person than on a flat 2-D screen, which I figured would be the case.

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I also assembled my first squad of Sentinels, and they look great! I will say that they're probably the most straightforward / painless models to build out of the Realm Lords' range. My advice is to be especially careful around the bow-strings when cleaning the model. I broke like three of the bowstrings 😄, due to the pressure I was putting on them while removing mold lines. Thankfully, they can be fixed with some plastic glue rather seamlessly.

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Still not entirely sure what I think about that 3-bowstring-construction 😂 but niecely done, these models are great :)

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The Sentinels will be my next unit to paint and, looking at them, they will be a nice change from the Dawnriders I've almost finished.  Not that I don't love the models, but they are quite tricky to paint! (that's typical British understatement, by the way :) ).

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@Acid_Nine, typically barrel/crystal dice will be for roleplaying and you’ll probably find dice sets of all the different sided dice for that, rather than sets of D6’s. I had a quick look myself and couldn’t find a set purely of D6’s either.

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Thanks for the photos @ThalmorRepresentative!  I've been trying to build the LRL guys in sub assemblies, so questions:

The Scinari looks like she could be built and then painted with out much fuss, except for her Right arm, which crosses over her chest.

As for the Wardens.  Dang, they do look cool!  Are the Right Arms/Arrows a separate piece?  How does it look like to get in there and paint the nooks and crannies around that arm>

 

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@Wyliekyote Do you mean the Sentinels🙂? So, the bow itself is one piece with the fingers on the hand on it. It attaches to a separate piece that is the arm and the thumb / pinky of the hand. The arm piece is also separate from the body. The other arm is like one that is bent like its being used to pull the bowstring taut and is also separate from its respective hand, which is fully on the bow.

The only crevice that looks like it's going to be an issue to get in there paint when fully assembled is that arm that is bending to pull the bowstring back. But, I'd wager it's still possible, you just have to be careful and strategic.

Here is a closer look at the sprue to give you a better idea.

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14 minutes ago, Wyliekyote said:

Thanks for the photos @ThalmorRepresentative!  I've been trying to build the LRL guys in sub assemblies, so questions:

The Scinari looks like she could be built and then painted with out much fuss, except for her Right arm, which crosses over her chest.

As for the Wardens.  Dang, they do look cool!  Are the Right Arms/Arrows a separate piece?  How does it look like to get in there and paint the nooks and crannies around that arm>

 

Just a small tip, the sprue are usually on GW's website, so you can have a close look at those. The Sentinel sprue are also up: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Lumineth-Realm-lords-Vanari-Auralan-Sentinels-2020 : ) 

And those Sentinels do look great. I really love the little details, like some of the archers having Eldoir, the rune of flight, true aim and sight on the their chest. 

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7 minutes ago, ThalmorRepresentative said:

@LuminethMage Ah, yes, you're correct! Forgot about that, my bad😛.

You just helped him ^^ . I only wanted to give him some advice in case not everyone is as nice and provides such a detailed reply like you : ).

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1 hour ago, ThalmorRepresentative said:

Do you mean the Sentinels

Yes.... yes I did.  😳😁 Thanks for the post!  Forewarned is fore armed. 

1 hour ago, LuminethMage said:

Just a small tip, the sprue are usually on GW's website

And yeah they are.... but them sprues lie!  Lie!  😉 being new trying to get as good an idea as too the world of pain I’m getting into.  Learned the hard way on them Wardens. 

And yeaaahhhh more runes!!!!  Any other times to be found on them?  I’ve been having fun digging into the older runes and seeing which ones are on the wardens....

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Stupid question:

is there a new gold color for the Lumineth gold, or is it just the images making the gold look pale? :)

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18 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Stupid question:

is there a new gold color for the Lumineth gold, or is it just the images making the gold look pale? :)

There is no new gold for the Lumineth. The BT guides are all using Retributor (mostly base) and Liberator (mostly highlight) gold. Some add silver to further highlight. 

Edit: Suggested primes are Wraithbone (Ymetrica) and Corax (but for some they might also have used Grey Seer for some). 

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I don’t know if this has been talked about yet or not, but I’m personally slightly disappointed on the variety of units available. I mean you get one melee as the only battle line, one ranged unit and one cav unit that could  be battle line. Then you have the single specialised infantry, one behemoth, and one specialised hero unit. Not including the single wizard, and named characters.

I was kinda hopping for more, like for example a heavy cav unit at least,  hell in the battletome they even talk about the other three sets of specialised units we could potentially get. Anyone else’s thoughts about this?

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5 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

Stupid question:

is there a new gold color for the Lumineth gold, or is it just the images making the gold look pale? :)

I think the battletome or at least one of the youtube tutorials uses liberator gold layered over dryad bark of all things, which gives it that pale color 🙂.

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3 hours ago, Imperator Lio said:

I don’t know if this has been talked about yet or not, but I’m personally slightly disappointed on the variety of units available. I mean you get one melee as the only battle line, one ranged unit and one cav unit that could  be battle line. Then you have the single specialised infantry, one behemoth, and one specialised hero unit. Not including the single wizard, and named characters.

I was kinda hopping for more, like for example a heavy cav unit at least,  hell in the battletome they even talk about the other three sets of specialised units we could potentially get. Anyone else’s thoughts about this?

This has been intensely discussed. Many of us (including myself) thought at one point that we get Tyrion also with this release. And many other possible units. At various points when we had seen basically the full range GW still said something on the lines of “just tipped a toe into the water”, “only seen the tip of the iceberg” of this range. The Lumineth have dragon/phoenix symbols all over the place. And GW just said again after the second week pre-order that this finishes the initial release of the Lumineth. And so on.

It’s possible that the Lumineth were always meant to be just the starting point of the Broken Realms and we get more units relatively fast (with a Tyrion & Teclis Broken Realms book for example). The mentioned all the units of the Wind Temple in detail already, and many more as you wrote.

Or it’s all just ideas right now and we might get a second release in 2, 3 years if the Lumineth were a success. You’d likely see some heavy cavalry if Tyrion comes along with the AoS version of Caledor. 

For the Teclian nations, it’s pretty fitting that there is no heavy cavalry and a lot of the other missing units people were looking for. It sadly means though, that we had several disappointed people here in this group alone, and a lot of not-my-elves posts. 

On the plus side it looks like every unit they gave us is viable and has a distinct role to play. 

 

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1 hour ago, LuminethMage said:

This has been intensely discussed. Many of us (including myself) thought at one point that we get Tyrion also with this release. And many other possible units. At various points when we had seen basically the full range GW still said something on the lines of “just tipped a toe into the water”, “only seen the tip of the iceberg” of this range. The Lumineth have dragon/phoenix symbols all over the place. And GW just said again after the second week pre-order that this finishes the initial release of the Lumineth. And so on.

It’s possible that the Lumineth were always meant to be just the starting point of the Broken Realms and we get more units relatively fast (with a Tyrion & Teclis Broken Realms book for example). The mentioned all the units of the Wind Temple in detail already, and many more as you wrote.

Or it’s all just ideas right now and we might get a second release in 2, 3 years if the Lumineth were a success. You’d likely see some heavy cavalry if Tyrion comes along with the AoS version of Caledor. 

For the Teclian nations, it’s pretty fitting that there is no heavy cavalry and a lot of the other missing units people were looking for. It sadly means though, that we had several disappointed people here in this group alone, and a lot of not-my-elves posts. 

On the plus side it looks like every unit they gave us is viable and has a distinct role to play. 

 

Well hopefully we will get to see at least something in the next few months, because if they are just seeing if the Lumineth will be popular enough to justify adding more units or not, then they may have just doomed the faction from the start. 

If they are basing popularity on how many player use them Competitively, I can defiantly see this faction struggling. Not because there units are rubbish because they are very viable like you said, but because of the shier lack of options. Meaning many builds will be in readably similar to each over, making it relatively easy to counter them. 

If they are seeing this based on sales alone, again I’m not so sure, because of the small selection available. I could be wrong though on this, but personally, I don’t really like factions that are limited to just one stile of play, like the fresh eaters, bone reapers, and so on. 

I think these Guys will have some help from GW despite poor sail though, since these are supposed to be one of the main factions of Age of Sigmar, weather that’s enough or not.... 

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49 minutes ago, Imperator Lio said:

Well hopefully we will get to see at least something in the next few months, because if they are just seeing if the Lumineth will be popular enough to justify adding more units or not, then they may have just doomed the faction from the start. 

If they are basing popularity on how many player use them Competitively, I can defiantly see this faction struggling. Not because there units are rubbish because they are very viable like you said, but because of the shier lack of options. Meaning many builds will be in readably similar to each over, making it relatively easy to counter them. 

If they are seeing this based on sales alone, again I’m not so sure, because of the small selection available. I could be wrong though on this, but personally, I don’t really like factions that are limited to just one stile of play, like the fresh eaters, bone reapers, and so on. 

I think these Guys will have some help from GW despite poor sail though, since these are supposed to be one of the main factions of Age of Sigmar, weather that’s enough or not.... 

The unit variety is certainly limited with Lumineth out of the gate, and if you're banking on GW adding more kits within the next few months to decide on purchasing, I wouldn't bother. Outside of the Underworlds warband, I'd be surprised if we see the Lumineth range expand before 2022 at the earliest (maybe late '21 if they're really pushing them hard as part of the Broken Realms stuff).

Competitive/tournament players are a tiny minority of the AOS playerbase, and I don't really think they drive sales in a meaningful way. And outside of the spikey tournament lists, which will 100% focus on spamming as many Sentinels as possible, I do think that even with the limited model range there are several interesting ways to build a Lumineth army: Vanari mixes with infantry/archers/cavalry, Cavalry-heavy with the Dawnrider Lance, magic-heavy Zaitrec with or without Teclis, tanky Alarith builds in Ymetrica with lots of Stoneguard and Spirits, and cosmopolitan mixes of all of the above (which is what I'm aiming for). Even without a ton of units to choose from, there are a lot of different approaches you can take with Lumineth.

Regardless, I think Lumineth will still sell relatively well just based on the quality of the sculpts, the general appeal of a classical High Elf-looking army (and the Cow aesthetic too, which seems to have a surprising amount of appeal to some folks in spite of all of the online pearl clutching when they were revealed), and the fact that everyone (in the US at least) is going to be stuck inside all winter looking for new projects anyway. But if what's already been released isn't doing it for you, don't buy in hoping that they'll release new models soon. I'm 99% certain we'll get new models eventually, but given GW's release schedule it won't be for at least a couple years.

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@l1censetochill That are some interesting points and I agree with the army building approaches. On top of every, Unit having a role and not seeming "useless," it is also cool that every one of the 4 Subfactions is really decent and has its own appeal. There seems to be no clear "best" to choose as Petrifex before the nerf, etc.

While reading your post I was also thinking why the Lumineth appeal to me as they do:
You know in Warhammer Fantasy many Factions had Spearmen (Saurus Warriors with Spears, High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Bretonnia, Empire, ) The point I am trying to make is: Now in this crazy AoS Age the Lumineth are the odd one out in deploying Regiments of these cohesive Soldiers. And it appeals to me A LOT. 😄 Even if it might be fiddly and unwieldy they nailed it with the Shining Company Rule. 
I don't even know why I am writing this, perhaps because there was a discussion in another Thread how people disliked it when others were just deploying the absolute minimal Battleline Choices. Others complained about Battleline units being visually uninteresting and bland.  So I like all of the Options in AoS (Terrorgheist Battleline yes please!). But I guess I will always remain a staunch defender of the humble Core-Trooper and dare I say it: Lumineth Core Troops are da best! 

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34 minutes ago, Aloth_Corfiser said:

@l1censetochill That are some interesting points and I agree with the army building approaches. On top of every, Unit having a role and not seeming "useless," it is also cool that every one of the 4 Subfactions is really decent and has its own appeal. There seems to be no clear "best" to choose as Petrifex before the nerf, etc.

While reading your post I was also thinking why the Lumineth appeal to me as they do:
You know in Warhammer Fantasy many Factions had Spearmen (Saurus Warriors with Spears, High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Bretonnia, Empire, ) The point I am trying to make is: Now in this crazy AoS Age the Lumineth are the odd one out in deploying Regiments of these cohesive Soldiers. And it appeals to me A LOT. 😄 Even if it might be fiddly and unwieldy they nailed it with the Shining Company Rule. 
I don't even know why I am writing this, perhaps because there was a discussion in another Thread how people disliked it when others were just deploying the absolute minimal Battleline Choices. Others complained about Battleline units being visually uninteresting and bland.  So I like all of the Options in AoS (Terrorgheist Battleline yes please!). But I guess I will always remain a staunch defender of the humble Core-Trooper and dare I say it: Lumineth Core Troops are da best! 

Agreed on all points - one thing I didn't touch on, which I'm glad you pointed out, is that none of the Lumineth models are bad or unplayable (Light of Eltharion is probably the worst, but even he's fun enough that I could see myself playing him in plenty of casual games), and they all have different roles to fulfill. So while the range is limited, each unit feels worthwhile in its own right.

Speaking from the perspective of someone who has played exclusively Stormcast up until now, my honest opinion is that having a huge model range tends to be overrated by people who don't play an army with a huge model range. Sure, SCE has like 60 different units to choose from, but when you boil it down, 90% of them do the same job and fulfill the same role as another unit in the lineup, only worse. On paper, getting to choose between Retributors, Decimators, or Protectors sounds great - until you realize they're all basically the same slow melee hammer unit, and they're all inferior to Evocators anyway. Same goes for Concussors, Desolators, Fulminators or Tempestors - they all do the same job, with only slight differences in their profiles (well, except for Tempestors, they just suck). Same with their million foot heroes, all but a few of whom are just pretty paperweights.

The Lumineth don't have a ton of kits right now, but I think they've actually got a surprising amount of variety in playstyle and sculpts despite that. This doesn't feel like a Fyreslayers or DoK situation, where the only non-terrible lists you can play are running 80 virtually identical models and maybe 1 centerpiece. Most lists I've seen here seem like they've got a good mix, my own included. Sure, there's a temptation to just max out on Wardens and Sentinels in the Auralan Legion, but everyone recognizes that at least one unit of Dawnriders will help with mobility; then, of course, you've gotta consider taking Avalenor, because you're light on heroes and those 5 damage attacks sure are nice; and if you're taking Avalenor, you might as well take a Stonemage for the synergy and second artifact; and then hey, why not fold in some Stoneguard for the full Alarith combo, since they're only 100 points for a min unit?... and, well, I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. And that's not even factoring in whether or not you take Teclis!

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Just in case people haven't seen this ... and I think they couldn't have chosen a worse timing with this than right now, when we just all sacrificed our well earned baubles to the temple of Teclis ... but GW just released some Lumineth merchandising (and that of other factions). 

https://merch-eur.warhammer.com/collections/order/lumineth-realm-lords 

A few items (the Tyrion/Teclis mug) are quite nice I think. I'm just happy they didn't use Paul Dainton's Teclis/Cellenar artwork on their products. Otherwise I'd been really busted. One spell dodged there. 😅

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I’ve a question regarding the Cathallar ability to force the opponent’s unit to take a battleshock test: A Daughters of Khaine unit that consumed witchbrew wouldn’t need to take this battleshock, right?

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How popular do you think Lumineth is currently? I’m seeing GW advertise the army fairly hard with the posts on the FB site and my local shops sold out of the entire range very quickly.   It def looks like despite the controversy it could be more popular than armies that sold badly like Fyreslayers and Idoneth.

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