Aos 2 - Lumineth Realm-Lords Discussion

[Sinarai]

1 hour ago, Hypephoon said:

 

The army was only ever half done, the rise of the elves is nigh!

Holy ****** though, a nimbus riding spellcaster sounds amazing. 

So, definitely getting the wind temple stuff, this however ( to me) doesn't feel like an Aelemental with a rider

My guess is, given by the shield and neck of the creature, possibly some sort of wind dragon mount? Looks to have scales on the belly bit... fur of sorts up top? Maybe even an Ur-Phoenix? 

We shall see

Edit: Maybe even a new Vanari Heavier Cav (flying unit?) Which honestly would be amazing

Edited January 1, 2021 by Sinarai

[Tiger]

Alpaca or something like that.

[ThalmorRepresentative]

Well, I maybe crazy... but perhaps I jumped off the Lumineth wagon too soon 😁?

I did make a resolution that if Tyrion comes out and his units were pretty cool, I'd be back for returning to the realm-lords.

Plus, those models look amazing!

[RocketPropelledGrenade]

2 hours ago, LuminethMage said:

This is so exciting. I didn’t think they’d do that so fast. That likely also means another lore of magic, more spells for Teclis, and some real ranged power on top of the Sentinels. The Wind Spirit and cavalry were both ranged in the Battletome. 

 

I was hoping for some heavier melee units. We don't need the game being pushed even further towards a shooting meta, and the archers are plenty good, from what I hear.

[ThalmorRepresentative]

2 hours ago, LuminethMage said:

This is so exciting. I didn’t think they’d do that so fast. That likely also means another lore of magic, more spells for Teclis, and some real ranged power on top of the Sentinels. The Wind Spirit and cavalry were both ranged in the Battletome. 

 

I'm not certain if that is the archer cavalry though, this model has at least two round shields on it, then the warden shield in his hand too.

Edited January 1, 2021 by ThalmorRepresentative

[chosen_of_khaine]

I'm thinking the mounted unit is most likely a unnamed Vanari hero, that mount looks too large and resplendent. We did know from the battletome that there are other vanari in addition to aelementiri.

[RocketPropelledGrenade]

4 minutes ago, chosen_of_khaine said:

I'm thinking the mounted unit is most likely a unnamed Vanari hero, that mount looks too large and resplendent. We did know from the battletome that there are other vanari in addition to aelementiri.

A mounted melee hero with a cool monster, especially one that is not a special character,  is literally the top of my list for Lumineth releases. Here's hoping you're right!

[Kokoshi]

The symbol on the plate of the mount definitely looks like a sun to me : I don't know if we're talking about Tyrion himself, but it looks pretty tyrionic anyway. I hope we might get a full new temple (infantery/spirit/leader) and new units from the sunny side !

[LordAlpharius]

Could be a mounted Lord Regent as a  generic hero character.

[Gecktron]

Heck yeah! The teaser was great for the new Lumineth stuff alone! I suspected Wind will be the next temple, just because of how detailed they were described in the battletome, but great to see them come so soon. 

Mages riding on clouds is always awesome and I cant wait to see more Aelementors on the battlefield. 

Now I just need to find a way to fit a Wind temple contigent into my Alarith-centric Ymetrica force haha

[Sinarai]

Im more and more agreeing with a Camel Cav unit

[Aelfric]

1 hour ago, Sinarai said:

Im more and more agreeing with a Camel Cav unit

It does say in the Battletome that Warriors of the Wind Temple have "long-limbed riding beasts bearing them into battle at breakneck pace", so a Camel-like creature would not be far off.  Personally, I want a large flying fox-faced Spirit of the Wind model. 

[Neverchosen]

I am so sold that this is Tyrion and he will be the primary focus of the next Broken Realms book.

Also I am foolishly hoping that the cloud riders are not heroes but a unit 😁

[Tiger]

3 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Also I am foolishly hoping that the cloud riders are not heroes but a unit

Why not both, a hero and a unit?

I'll still gladly take the unit of Swordmasters v2.

[LuminethMage]

6 hours ago, ThalmorRepresentative said:

I'm not certain if that is the archer cavalry though, this model has at least two round shields on it, then the warden shield in his hand too.

Sure totally possible. It could also be something in addition to the Wind Temple. As people mentioned the rider armour looks much more like Vanari armour. That’s true. And the decoration on the armour of the beast, could symbolize a sun, which again points at Vanari or even something on the Tyrionic side. 

I’m sure though, we get the Wind Temple, because of the cloud mage. 

The Battletome didn’t say archer btw., just ranged. So the unit could be throwing spears, or something more fantastic. 

[RocketPropelledGrenade]

I have just been staring at stills of the rider guy on and off all day. Just willing it to become a complete image.

BY THE LIGHT OF HYSH, YIELD UP YOUR SECRETS!

...Okay, that didn't work, but I think I can make out a sheathed but very fancy and large sword at the rider's side, just under/behind the shield.

 

[Sinarai]

3 minutes ago, RocketPropelledGrenade said:

I have just been staring at stills of the rider guy on and off all day. Just willing it to become a complete image.

BY THE LIGHT OF HYSH, YIELD UP YOUR SECRETS!

...Okay, that didn't work, but I think I can make out a sheathed but very fancy and large sword at the rider's side, just under/behind the shield.

 

The more I look, the more I see this, and the more I love it

[Either/Or]

1 hour ago, Sinarai said:

The more I look, the more I see this, and the more I love it

Definitely looks like the rider in the preview is sitting higher up relative to the barding as illustrated by this picture. I love the interplay of classic high elf stuff to things that feel strange, like the cow thing, Sphinx creature with Teclis, or this.

[Tiger]

8 hours ago, LuminethMage said:

As people mentioned the rider armour looks much more like Vanari armour. That’s true. And the decoration on the armour of the beast, could symbolize a sun, which again points at Vanari or even something on the Tyrionic side. 

Aren't they the "generic" units, as in, you'll likely to find various symbology on their armour? I have a Dawnrider in my drawer, and he has the Phoenix motive on his torso.

[overtninja]

I'll take a unit or two of fantasy battle-alpaca cavalry and a mage riding the Flying Nimbus, please

also, I'd love if they made more of the elemental spirits, I'd love to field the double bow-wielding fox wind spirit from the battle tome

[LuminethMage]

1 hour ago, Tiger said:

Aren't they the "generic" units, as in, you'll likely to find various symbology on their armour? I have a Dawnrider in my drawer, and he has the Phoenix motive on his torso.

Yes they are. That’s why we see both sun and moon symbolic on the Vanari, as you say. So, it’s totally possible that the one rider we see in the vid has sun symbols and another one moon symbols. But if it’s only sun, that could hint at a Tyrionic one. Or not, lol. The Dawnriders, although also being “in the middle”, had a slightly more Tyrionic style. This is taken from the article that introduced them: 

These often include stylised sun and phoenix symbols – though formally centre-aligned between the Hyshian gods, a more militaristic, Tyrionic influence is clearly prevalent. This is further emphasised by the majestic phoenix design on the Dawnriders’ fluttering banner, though Neil also ensured that Teclian moons were commonplace on the miniatures to maintain the balance between the two Lumineth deities.

Then the rider’s booth armour is more ornate than the Vanari ones, and he also seems to have a cloak, both would hint more at either an elite unit or a hero. But then it could also be a Vanari elite unit or a hero, lol. 

And in the end, the rider could still be hailing from the Wind Temple, because just below the “sun symbol” we see that there is the Wind Rune on the cloth part or something like that once the full model is visible. The symbol on the shield looks almost like a cloud creature. 

I mainly mentioned the Tyrionic part because if we get a full Temple, looking how Broken Realms worked, it’s also not unreasonable that we’d get faction rules for them, like Har Kuron for example. In the same way they have done it with Alarith and Ymetrica. Which means they either would have to rewrite an exciting Great Nation, or provide a new one - which then would have to be from the Tyrionic side. The red sattle and ouside of the cloak could also hint at that. It could be Iliatha (white, orange, red), but otherwise none of the current nations feature red in a prominent form. 

But this is all super speculative of course, personally I think the most likely outcome is that we’ll see the Wind Temple, and maybe a hero and the Blademasters. None of them Tyrion associated. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by LuminethMage

[Tiger]

39 minutes ago, LuminethMage said:

I mainly mentioned the Tyrionic part because if we get a full Temple, looking how Broken Realms worked, it’s also not unreasonable that we’d get faction rules for them, like Har Kuron for example. In the same way they have done it with Alarith and Ymetrica.

I feel that's overthinking matters, the Temples are only part of the defining culture of the LRL and are relatively recent appearance. Some nations are likely associated with a particular element, however, nations such as Ymetrica, with a particular element being their defining aspect, are likely to be in the minority. The Temple formation can exist as the generic battalion, without stepping on the established rules.

47 minutes ago, LuminethMage said:

The red sattle and ouside of the cloak could also hint at that. It could be Iliatha (white, orange, red), but otherwise none of the current nations feature red in a prominent form. 

I don't think that will happen as Ymetrica seems to be the flagship of the LRL, should the range be larger and the faction more established I'd be more inclined to your theory.

55 minutes ago, LuminethMage said:

But this is all super speculative of course

Goes without saying, I do enjoy a good exchange of ideas.

[LuminethMage]

7 minutes ago, Tiger said:I feel that's overthinking matters, the Temples are only part of the defining culture of the LRL and are relatively recent appearance. Some nations are likely associated with a particular element, however, nations such as Ymetrica, with a particular element being their defining aspect, are likely to be in the minority. The Temple formation can exist as the generic battalion, without stepping on the established rules.

I don't think that will happen as Ymetrica seems to be the flagship of the LRL, should the range be larger and the faction more established I'd be more inclined to your theory.

Goes without saying, I do enjoy a good exchange of ideas.

Sure, like I said, I don’t think we see a Tyrionic nation, nor anything much else specifically Tyrion related.

I agree, most nations aren’t associated by one element. The Wind Temple example is from Zaitrec in the Battletome, which isn’t defined by a temple. We have 1 out of 4 right now where that’s the case, and that might be the only one in the end. 

It’s not much of a theory, just mentioning why it’s not totally impossible. Wind as the defining element in a place with a lot of deserts, the colours, sun symbolic etc. You can easily find counter examples, the next novel in February being again Ymetrica centered, and the things you mentioned for example. It’s just - speculation is fun after all. And I love these discussions, seeing what everyone thinks. That’s often more exciting then the actual models which will always be a bit disappointing for someone.

I’m more of a Teclis fan, so a Temple with maybe some Blademasters would be much more than I hoped for just a day ago : ). 

[ian0delond]

I am not well versed in the lore of the LRL, but isn't the point is everything is symmetric, fractal and a reflection?

One realm, with twin gods ruling over ten symmetric kingdom, each have their four elements balanced, within them moon and sun are represented. Somewhere one side can be more prominent,  but will be balanced elsewhere and it never last long. Things are so intertwined, Moon/Sun and Mountain/River/Wind/Zenith are independents, knowing someone is more lined with a celestial body does not convey information about which aelementiri s.he also follows?

Anyway I think it is placing a lot of expectation on a campaign book not teased to be the conclusion to have a new god having an active part in the narrative.

[Aelfric]

I was under the impression from the lore that the four Temples are the result of Teclis' interaction with Celennar resulting in Him teaching some Lumineth the path to bonding with elemental Spirits; so not connected to Tyrion at all.  

Tyrion, rather, has concentrated on more martial prowess, being a warrior first and foremost, and so I expect He has created His own "Temples" that specialise in specific martial styles - rather like Kendo or Kung-fu for example.

The Vanari are the more generalised military units that work alongside either (or, indeed, both).

I don't expect to see Tyrion's forces until all the Aelimentari have been released, and when they do appear will have their own Battletome.