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Why is Alarielle written to be an idiot? (spoiler warning)

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So in Maledictions , We have a story that takes place in the Greywater Fastness. 

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It's about a gang of sewer cleaners, cleaning the sewers and around  Greywater and eventually getting killed by a mold monster. That is actually  Alarielle herself.

I get she does not like the city, But does she think trying to destroy the stronghold of the few allies she has is good idea?, a stronghold that produces vital equipment for the war. We have Chaos who overwhelmingly outnumber the forces of Order, Nagash and the forces of death are ascendant and Endless spells are rampaging through the realms. The bad moon is more active then it has ever been, wreaking havoc wherever it goes.   And Gorkamorka is just about to get started, we know that's coming.

And then we have Alarielle, losing her sh*t over a plot of land in the near-infinity that is Ghyran! This is equivalent of the gates of hell opening up to release legions of demons to conquer the earth, an alien invasion from space,  extreme natural disasters occurring everywhere, a zombie uprising, riots and an global outbreak of plague, happening all at the sometime. And there is a crazy lady  losing her damn mind. Because one of the emergency personnel sent to help her, knocked over her flower pot. 

This is not the first time she was acting stupid. In "Hammerhal and other stories" 

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We have some Sylvaneth soul pods being tortured and experimented on by Tzeentch Arcanites. And then we have Sigmar who can hear the spirits trap in soul pods crying out for help. So he creates a lesser avatar to go down there himself to save them. Then Alarielle shows up and she just loses her sh*t, She all like "why are you  here! get out!"  I'm reading this and I'm like, what is wrong with her?  Sigmar is only person trying to help you, because Teclis,  Tyrion and Malerion  ain't trying to help you. They doin there own thing.

In fact, Alarielle does not have a right to complain about anything. She  contributed to the downfall of the mortal realms.  When chaos was just getting started, Sigmar was out here saying. We need stand together against dark gods to win!  and do you know who was one of the first gods to leave the alliance because she did not want to cooperate? it was Alarielle. Had the other gods stood with Sigmar, they would have broken the foothold chaos had and most likely won.  

And then she has the nerve to blame Sigmar about what happened to her realm. When Sigmar was flying around trying to be superman, what was she doing? and when Sigmar was forced to retreat to his realm, what did she do?  nothing! she got rekt, hid and did nothing in all that time.  Sigmar fought to the end, realized he couldn't win, he then retreated and made an army the likes of which has never been seen before and came back.

What did Alarielle do when she retreated? she moped around crying and feeling sorry for herself. Doing nothing, All while the  Sylvaneth suffered defeat after defeat. The only reason she is even fighting right now, is because Sigmar came back and the stormcast forced her out of her hidey hole. And then they protected her so she could be reborn.   

And now she out slaughtering whole tribes of order-humans because they could not protect some sacred sites of life magic from the endless nighthaunt ghost army. What are they supposed to do against this unstoppable force by themselves?  

 Sigmar out here trying to build bridges and trying to get the alliance back together.   Yet Alarielle seems more interested in burning the bridges with her allies. Because you know, let's do the same thing that made us lose in the first time, maybe it will be different.  Definition of stupid to me.  

 

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On that particular story, Spore-Alarielle might be a different aspect of her, much like Sigmar and Nagash have their own.

It's also directly stated that Alarielle personality is "locked" to the seasons of Ghyran. She could not stop herself from crying, hiding and moping because she was stuck in the "winter" form of her main aspect. When she died and was reborn she moved to next form, the raging war queen. 

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3 minutes ago, Ashendant said:

On that particular story, Spore-Alarielle might be a different aspect of her, much like Sigmar and Nagash have their own.

It's also directly stated that Alarielle personality is "locked" to the seasons of Ghyran. She could not stop herself from crying, hiding and moping because she was stuck in the "winter" form of her main aspect. When she died and was reborn she moved to next form, the raging war queen. 

It just makes her sound like a crazy B*tch,  she need to get it together and control her aspects or something.   

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Exactly,  she's a force of nature .

At times she can be calm and caring like when she spared the Ironweld Cogfort in Malign portents that was purposely sent to kill her people and expand their operations and when she created the Living city for her allies to live and mingle with her children.

However there is a reason why Sigmar is trying to push her into changing from her war aspect as it means she'll keep spawning more dangerous avatars than benevolent ones because of the seasons and what happens to her realm.

It's a big grey area but it's important to remember the gods have many nuances to them making them all like forces of nature in one way or another, like even Sigmar having a savage storm aspect in Ghur that raiding nomads use to ambush merchants.e

Edit: Another important thing to remember is that all the gods suffered coming to the Mortal Realms because they had to travel through the chaos realm and lose something.

Tyrion became blind, Malerion lost his form and Alarielle suffered mental damage which made her such a recluse.

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As a wise man once said, "Never Trust An Elf."

 

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I also think that the great mental link that she shares with the Sylvaneth is a much a blessing to her and them as it is a curse. In Realmwars Blood of the Old World we meet a Sylvaneth who, for a short while, loses her connection to the rest of her forest mental link. She goes a bit nuts about it! 

You see the same thing in Star Trek when Borg are separated from the mental link they share.

Basically whilst it provides a powerful asset in good times, if something goes wrong with the link it can leave creatures so used to it almost lost and insane. Meanwhile for the Everqueen she wasn't a tree creature to start with. It wouldn't surprise me if, even with her Godlike powers, she is getting so much negative feedback that its driving her even more insane. Whole vast forests corrupted with Chaos. Nurgle's influence always wanting HER; the corruption, twisting burning, hacking chopping. 

Even when she has allies they still want to cut her woods; to turn them to fuel and machine. To burn the meadows to make fields of monoculture crop; to tear up the earth to reap the minerals below. Much like Treebeard said in Lord of the Rings "I'm on nobodies side because no one is on mine". 

 

Don't forget when Sigmar closed the Realmgates; when the other gods fled and fell, she remained with her people as the world and land and people around here were corrupted and taken by Chaos. Whilst she's not been warped by Chaos energies directly during the Realmwars as such, she has been damaged; her links to nature harmed. So yeah I can see how all that would result in her losing quite a lot of her marbles. I think even some of the more awake Sylvaneth realise that, whilst she has great power, she's also a broken god. 

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For me its just because she's not perfect - she has character.

A lot of critique of all media often comes down to "why did they do/say that, its stupid", but in real life people do and say things that lead to bad outcomes all the time.

Whether its because they're petty, narrow minded, confused or merely have a different opinion to someone else, it all speaks to their character.

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32 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Exactly,  she's a force of nature .

At times she can be calm and caring like when she spared the Ironweld Cogfort in Malign portents that was purposely sent to kill her people and expand their operations and when she created the Living city for her allies to live and mingle with her children.

However there is a reason why Sigmar is trying to push her into changing from her war aspect as it means she'll keep spawning more dangerous avatars than benevolent ones because of the seasons and what happens to her realm.

It's a big grey area but it's important to remember the gods have many nuances to them making them all like forces of nature in one way or another, like even Sigmar having a savage storm aspect in Ghur that raiding nomads use to ambush merchants.e

Edit: Another important thing to remember is that all the gods suffered coming to the Mortal Realms because they had to travel through the chaos realm and lose something.

Tyrion became blind, Malerion lost his form and Alarielle suffered mental damage which made her such a recluse.

That cogfort was fighting against dreadwood Sylvaneth,  who torture people for fun and it was Alarielle(the main aspect)  who sent them there in the first place.  Even before that, when she first sent the dreadwood. The people of Greywater were prevented from leaving to get food. She was will to let hundreds of millions of people starve to death because they destroyed a nurgle army and caused some collateral damage. Maybe she would have been happy if nurgle had conquered the city.

 Aspects are an exception, not the rule.  The problem is even Alarielle's main aspect is crazy.

 

 

 

 

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No you totally don't understand the condition around Greywater Fastness

The beloved and respected leader of the greywater fastness, the genius architect Valius Maliti is actually a changling in disguise. It is he that first invited how to use realm stones as power source and also he designed many of the major free cities. Yet all of these are for Tzeentch's cause, to bring downfall once more to Sigmar's civilization.

When Valius first led people to set up the Fastness, the force of Azyr indeed made a truce with Alarielle—— An azyrite city will be allowed on her domain. To be fair, there was another free city built based on the truce between Azyr and Ghyran, the Living City, and so far everything goes well there.

But in the case of Greywater Fastness, no, everything went wrong as a result of schemes of Changling. The human broken the truce, they enlarge their industralization without a stop, and hence significantly polluted the environment around. They chopped down mass of tress, burned down numberless forest, even use a super laser weapon turned the area around the city into extreme wasteland.

In short words, the sylvaneth are upset, Alarielle is upset and even the whole realm is upset.

Now the force of Ghyran regretted letting those unrespected and filthy human took their land—— in their eyes these 'force of order' are no better than  the dirty nurglite. The most sinster clan of sylvaneth, the Dreadwood,  constantly waged war against garrison of Fastness. Although Alarielle won't formally declare war against Sigmar, be aware the godess now in her war aspect has a particularly hot temper, tried to retake the land in many different subtler ways. Then there comes the spore and mold. 

Now as a result of Necroquake, temporarily truce has been acheived, so there is one road, which is heavily guarded, can lead into the city. But I won't be surprise if changling manipulate something and eventually leads to a total war between human and sylvaneth. Remember, the way of thinking of treekin is incredibly different and alien to those creatures of flesh, so don't expect some easy negotiations can fix the problem

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1 minute ago, Ahriman said:

For me its just because she's not perfect - she has character.

A lot of critique of all media often comes down to "why did they do/say that, its stupid", but in real life people do and say things that lead to bad outcomes all the time.

Whether its because they're petty, narrow minded, confused or merely have a different opinion to someone else, it all speaks to their character.

No one is saying she has to be perfect.  Sigmar is not perfect, he makes mistakes.  But Alarielle is actively undermining the war against chaos and death by attacking the few  allies she has.  She is trying to destroy a free city and is  slaughtering whole tribes of order-humans because they could not win against an  endless  ghost army.  

This is not a mistake , it's just stupid with the current state of things in  Ghyran.  

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She spares the Cogfort crew and tells them they need to unite against Nagash despite what they've done to her lands and people.

You can read it here.

https://malignportents.com/story/iron-and-oak/

She is very flawed but she's not as irredeemable as you're making her out to be. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding her.

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, xking said:

She is trying to destroy a free city and is  slaughtering whole tribes of order-humans because they could not win against an  endless  ghost army.  

To be fair, it is not described as 'they could not win', but 'they did nothing to stop ghost', hence to Alarielle it can well be a crime of useless and cowards

After all, why do you think killing useless humans matters to Alarielle? They are not her people (those who do not worship her at least) and humans used to be a reason why she lost the war against Nurgle (chaos worshipping humans betrayers etc). If they are useless and cowards, as the rightful ruler of this realm, she may deem them as unworthy of life. Even Sigmar will brainwash those cowards and his shining boys will kill innocents. By a quotation——The gods are hungry millstones, grinding up the faithful. People are just mere currency, a way of keeping scores.

To be fair, sylvaneth sometimes even kill SCE for some 'stupid' reason (in our, humans' eyes), don't try to blame them from a human perspective.

 

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21 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

She spares the Cogfort crew and tells them they need to unite against Nagash despite what they've done to her lands and people.

You can read it here.

https://malignportents.com/story/iron-and-oak/

She is very flawed but she's not as irredeemable as you're making her out to be. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding her.

 

 

 

 

I have read that story a long time ago, The problem is she is still trying to destroy the city after that.

I don't view her as irredeemable. that doesn't change the fact that she sent the dreadwood there and was willing to let hundreds of millions of people starve to death  over collateral damage.  And slaughtered whole tribes of order-humans because they could not win against an  endless  ghost army.  

Fine. Maybe if they had said, what was said between Alarielle and the lords of the city it would have been better. 

 

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I have read that story a long time ago, The problem is she is still trying to destroy the city after that.

Because the Tzeentch architect keeps giving her reasons to.

This is far from a one-sided thing especially if you weigh Greywater as just a city of weapons and destruction of nature against the nature goddess herself who gives life to countless species and races like her celebration of Nurgle being thrown back where she created a thousand new races to repopulate the lands he destroyed.

That's the beauty of grey area writing. We can go back and forth on this indefinitely.

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I think that it is as simple as GW wants there to be conflict within all the grand alliances, and sometimes the stories are better than other times.

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5 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Because the Tzeentch architect keeps giving her reasons to.

This is far from a one-sided thing especially if you weigh Greywater as just a city of weapons and destruction of nature against the nature goddess herself who gives life to countless species and races like her celebration of Nurgle being thrown back where she created a thousand new races to repopulate the lands he destroyed.

That's the beauty of grey area writing. We can go back and forth on this indefinitely.

But what nature is being destroyed? the small amount of land around  Greywater?    Most of Ghyran is corrupted by Nurgle, She should understand that it is better for corrupted lands to be burn down with purifying fire using the weapons made by Greywater, So Harvestboon Sylvaneth can sow the seeds of new life.   

But, very well. 

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1 minute ago, xking said:

But what nature is being destroyed? the small amount of land around  Greywater?    Most of Ghyran is corrupted by Nurgle, She should understand that it is better for corrupted lands to be burn down with purifying fire using the weapons made by Greywater, So Harvestboon Sylvaneth can sow the seeds of new life.   

But, very well. 

Perhaps she doesn't want Greywater to be victorious and start claiming more reclaimed land. After all if they defeat Nurgle and release those lands they might lay claim to them. Suddenly she's got Nurgle retreating before the might of the Greywater and her own forces, unable to beat back Nurgle, are also now on the defensive too as the Greywater becomes a powerful city state that is expanding its interests far into lands that were once hers. 

They might even not be nasty about it at first, simply requesting additional lands from her that were once hers, but are now released from Nurgle. They only need a bit more land to grow more food to fuel the war machine to push Nurgle out etc....

 

 

So it could be that she's playing the long game. Not a generation or two but several, considering that in the fullness of time Nurlge will get beaten back, but by HER forces as majority, not Greywater. She will reclaim the land lost for her people.

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I’d say it’s 2 things.  First is easy to chalk up to perspective.   The whole “seasonal mind” thing, her being a god of life vs the destructive advances of industry, etc.  The gods are shown multiple times to have a “my way or the highway” view of things that make them short sited.  Even Sigmar has made some dumbass mistakes because it was his idea (subverting Teclis’ enlightenment engines to hide dangerous objects for instance), and still doesn’t see the fault in it.  The gods are all overconfident in their own abilities, and GW has always used overconfidence to ****** with their plot lines, since forever.  It’s actually one of my least favorite themes in their writing, only because they use it ALL THE TIME.  Secondly, GW is also a little too fond of the “overly emotional women” trope, and it shows.

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Aye... she is written to be the Disney Princess archetype of AoS! 😂

- Has magical powers 

- Rides a pet beetle sidekick 

- Communes with forest creatures

- Suffers from some strange complex psychological issue

- Makes silly mistakes and throws tantrums

- Problems get resolve when a big strong man (aka Sigmar) shows up

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Because teclis hasn’t had his time in the spotlight yet

give it two months ;) 

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"But brother I needed to cleanse those filthy lesser aelves!

Don't you see-oops, um, don't you Understand the Eldritch council aren't required anymore?!

They don't even glow! How can they be masters of magic?!"

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"This place has been tainted by Chaos, everything must be cleansed by light!"

"But...but lord there are still humans alive..."

(sounds of shooting beam)

(anguish cries)

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