Grimrock Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Tropical Ghost General said: Question for the group. The new ETB warriors and knights from the start collecting look great, but obviously they lack the many normal options available to those units, such as swords for the knights, etc... So what are people using for these alternative options, considering that GW aren't bothering to offer them? (happy to use 3rd party or 3d printed stuff) Sounds obvious but I've just been using the normal kits for the units, ie. the ones sold separately from the start collecting set. Not quite as nice but they still look really great, and the warrior kits blend really well with the ETB ones. Honestly the only issues with the older knights is they don't have capes while the new ones do so it ends up looking a touch jarring when they're sitting beside eachother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 @Archion89 thats looking really solid now. Nothing wrong with marauders as undivided for the battleshock immunity however you dont have any heros with the undivided mark so it wouldnt have any effect. Units have to be wholly within 12" of a hero with the same mark to benefit from the abilities, otherwise a mark does nothing. In Ravagers, each hero can only spend a CP to summon once per game (and must be the general for that turn to do it). So if you only had 2 heroes thats only 2 summons. You dont have a lot of bodies on the table for holding objectives so this is where summoned units really help you out. 3 heroes/summoned units is probably about right for a 1K game. I see you only have 2 units to summon but hopefully one comes in and dies so you can summon those models again. You will get 5 CP per game plus the 1 you bought. 3 of those go to summoning leaving you with 3 to spend on command abilities, which will all likely be used by the chaos lord making units fight twice. If one of your knight units took glaives then the lord on karkadrak should use his command ability on them but as you've gone ensorcelled weapons its probably unnecessary. Only thing to do now is play a few games and work out if you're happy with the balance or want to mix it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I’ve only just realised after all this time that my mammoths have been sent off to the legends bin. looks like i better make them some warshrine howdahs then... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyx Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, Kaleb Daark said: I’ve only just realised after all this time that my mammoths have been sent off to the legends bin. looks like i better make them some warshrine howdahs then... At least you will still be able to play the Mammoth since it hss got the Slaves to Darkness keyword. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Salyx said: At least you will still be able to play the Mammoth since it hss got the Slaves to Darkness keyword. they still appear on the Azyr as available in matched play... phew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 1:02 PM, JackStreicher said: No. Units that can‘t see through are affected by the rule. A model does not have to be affected by the rule in order to not be seen by units being affected by the rule. You are suggesting that the demon prince somehow un-effects affected units Guys i have a question. If my DP is into a forest and in front of him (3") there is an enemy unit wholly within that forest . Can that unit shoot or Charge DP? Thx all!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tizianolol said: Guys i have a question. If my DP is into a forest and in front of him (3") there is an enemy unit wholly within that forest . Can that unit shoot or Charge DP? Thx all!! It can charge him. It can shoot at him if he can fly (forest rules do not apply to you if you fly) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Ty! And if the forest is under pitch black despoilers ability? I didmt understand this rule very well:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Tizianolol said: Ty! And if the forest is under pitch black despoilers ability? I didmt understand this rule very well:( Your demon prince can look through the pitch black terrain, he also can (if he could) shoot through it. He can charge through it and he can be charged through it (you never need line of sight for charging) ^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 11:10 PM, Kaleb Daark said: I’ve only just realised after all this time that my mammoths have been sent off to the legends bin. looks like i better make them some warshrine howdahs then... Just play them anyways. No right-minded opponent would disallow it. =} 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Ok thx a lot @JackStreicher . But he cant be shooted righ:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Sold my archaon and varanguard. No room for that big guy so I never built him. Now back to building regular lists! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuttyknatty Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Hi all! So, I’m selling my BoC miniatures and have decided that S2D will be my Chaos army to replace them. Just finished building it all and have now started putting paint on it. Looking forward to playing something new! Here’s my list: Legion: Ravagers Be’lakor (Whispers of Chaos) 2 x Chaos Lords on Daemonic Mounts 1 x Chaos Lord on Karkadrak 1 x Chaos Lord on foot 1 x Chaos Sorcerer Lord on foot (Mask of Darkness) 5 x 5 Chaos Knights Ruinbringer Warband I love fast moving armies so having almost everything on a mount (I’ll summon in 4 x 5 Marauder Horsemen too) will give me plenty of movement to confuse and discombobulate my opponents! Not convinced it has enough bodies to be super effective, but it should be fun and an interesting army to play against hopefully. 👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Has anyone got some experience with Knights of the Empty Throne? I doubt they are all that competitive, as they get 2 command abilities but no way to get command points. It is cool they become leaders though, but a shame they at least did not get the 8 circles as well. I was looking at a unit of 6 as the general with grasping plate and annihilating charge (you really need to get that charge in) or wall of cursed iron. Adding in a shrine and sorc for buffs etc and some knights and marauders for battleline and possibly another unit of 3 varanguards. Grasping plate giving 6" engagement range and +3" pile in, should ensure even if they charge in and kill something, they can activate again once per battle and make another nasty pile in possibly digging deep into the opponents juicy bits. I am also thinking Mark of khorne to get reroll 1s to hit and +1 wound, which will make them far stronger in combat. There is not much more to it, the army cant shoot, dish out MWs or anything really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) On 9/27/2020 at 12:25 AM, Tizianolol said: Ok thx a lot @JackStreicher . But he cant be shooted righ:) Correct ^^ imagine it like that: The DP summons a veil. if darkness only he can see through, so it does not hinder him at all. Enemies might blindly charge into or even through it, yet they cannot see beyond the veil and therefor not see the DP Edited September 29, 2020 by JackStreicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 7:24 AM, Tropical Ghost General said: The new ETB warriors and knights from the start collecting look great, but obviously they lack the many normal options available to those units, such as swords for the knights, etc... So what are people using for these alternative options, considering that GW aren't bothering to offer them? For the Warriors, I've mixed in old command models (banner, musician) with new heads, and they look great. The designers have made the ETBs so they are quite cohesive with the older models. I've strapped loose Fireforge halberds (very cheap but quite nice) across their backs in the spirit of ancient Roman Legionaries who carried multiple weapons. That way I can use them with either halberds or hand weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Ghost General Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Roark said: Fireforge halberds Do you have a link to these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 11:24 PM, Tropical Ghost General said: Question for the group. The new ETB warriors and knights from the start collecting look great, but obviously they lack the many normal options available to those units, such as swords for the knights, etc... So what are people using for these alternative options, considering that GW aren't bothering to offer them? (happy to use 3rd party or 3d printed stuff) I know many only counts what is in the hand of a model, but the new ETB knights all have their hand weapons on the model as well if you look closely, either strapped to their back or to their sides, so it would not be NOT wysiwyg as such. Frankly most people don't care either way as long as it is clear in the list which weapon profile they are using, also considering exactly that GW did not bother giving the options in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khendall Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 ETB ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneedlewoods Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Khendall said: ETB ? Easy-To-Build :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 11:34 PM, Tropical Ghost General said: Do you have a link to these? Fireforge is the manufacturer mate. They're sold in a range of stores. They have two different types FYI. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khendall Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sneedlewoods said: Easy-To-Build 🙂 Ah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_peon Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) I just got my Be'Lakor and I have an old Bloodthirster lying around, that I got permission to run as a Demon Prince, so I wanted to try a Despoiler list for the first time. I will be playing in a friendly match, but as it is part of a little campaign, I wanted to make sure it does not totally suck: Allegiance: Slaves to Darkness- Damned Legion: DespoilersLeadersSlaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- General- Sword- Command Trait: Paragon of Ruin - Artefact: Diabolic Mantle - Mark of Chaos: KhorneBe'Lakor (240)- Spell: Binding DamnationChaos Lord (110)- Reaperblade & Daemonbound Steel- Mark of Chaos: KhorneDarkoath Warqueen (90)- Artefact: Trickster's Foil Battleline5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield- Mark of Chaos: Khorne5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield- Mark of Chaos: Khorne40 x Chaos Marauders (320)- Axes & Shields- Mark of Chaos: Khorne20 x Chaos Marauders (160)- Axes & Shields- Mark of Chaos: Khorne5 x Chaos Knights (160)- Ensorcelled Weapons- Mark of Chaos: Khorne1 x Chaos Chariots (120)- Greatblades- Mark of Chaos: KhorneBehemothsChaos Warshrine (170)- Mark of Chaos: KhorneBattalionsBloodmarked Warband (180)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsExtra Command Point (50)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 142 My main question ist about how viable the command traits and the battalion are. I will propably use this list to attack a Stormcast list with some shooting (but not an optimized meta shooting list by any means). So I plan on using the Paragon of Ruin trait to block LoS at the start of the match, and the main killers will propably be the marauders, buffed by the Warqueen fighting first and hopefully killing something for +1 attack and then the Chaos Lord's Command trait to let them fight twice. Edited September 30, 2020 by angry_peon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry_peon Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, angry_peon said: the main killers will propably be the marauders, buffed by the Warqueen fighting first and hopefully killing something for +1 attack and then the Chaos Lord's Command trait to let them fight twice. Well, since I can't edit the original post anymore (guess I need a few more posts under my belt?), and I am not currenty tired and about to go to sleep anymore, I realized, that I can't to any of that, since the Warqueen can not be part of the battalion, sadly, and the marauders would have to fight in the hero-phase, before being buffed anyway. So maybe the synergy is not quite there, and I think I would be better off going Nurgle for now. Edited October 1, 2020 by angry_peon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 @angry_peon sadly you Are Right... Maybe it‘s just me, Bit it feels bad that this force is almost 2k points... feels like 1400 pts to me mhm... I am currently trying to build an army I can use in any Chaos Battletome by just adding some Battletome specific units/battalions. But damn S2D are do expensive for what little they do in the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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