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Will we see an updated LoN Battletome in 2020?

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First off, I realize that Seraphon, KO & Tzeentch need and will likely get an updated battletome next year. However in 2019 we have seen 12 Battletomes (Gitz, FEC, Skaven, Khorne, Fyreslayers, Slaanesh, Sylvaneth, Cities, Orruks, Bonereapers, Mawtribes and Slaves to Darkness), so I assume GW will not stop at 3 Battletomes next year. LoN & Nurgle are kind of AoS 1.5, seeing how some units still have old terminology (lack of "wholly" for some buffs and Nurgle exploding 6's and not unmodified 6's). It would seem likely that an update for those two factions and maybe a few others isn't too unlikely. Would be nice to see LoN get mount traits, updated Battalions, etc.

However, having said all of that, I have also read some posts that think GW may try and phase out LoN, since LoN is more of a soup / grand alliance faction and every other Death faction is fairly specific: FEC, Nighthaunt, Bonereapers, etc. Is it possible they may spin off a specific Battletome for say Soulblight and Deathrattle? What is everyone else's thoughts?

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I don't think LoN will see another update, same with Cities of Sigmar. It feels like a final goodbye Battletome and eventually the older models/units will make room for new ones. Personally I would love a small update to warscrolls/mechanics to update everything to wholly within/unmodified rolls for every pre-2.0 tome.

There may be another new death army in the works for the next couple of years, but I don't see Soulblight/Deathrattle getting a new Battletome or new models.

For now Death feels pretty up to date with 4 main tomes, not bad considering LoN was the only real update in a long time before the NH, FEC and OB happened.

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Really doubt it.  Way too soon, and the current book, while a bit rickety, still mostly holds together.  Maybe a Soulblight book though.

I *do* think we'll see an LoN update in the future, if nothing else then just a cleanup for 3e with maybe a grave sites terrain kit.  But that's all guesswork and wish listing.  For the moment the only real answer is "it isn't currently anywhere on the horizon."

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I wouldnt bet on it but I could see GW doing something similar like Pyschic Awakening. Now that almost every Battletome is atleast 2.0-ready, a series of campaign books could be a great way to add new stuff to existing factions. 

This would also be an ideal opportunity to add endless spells/terrain to the books lacking them right now.

So, more of an 2.5 update instead of a 3.0 overhaul. 

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The problem with splitting out the legion is there is almost not enough kits to do proper new books justice and I don't actually think GW wants to bloat the range even further.  Do they really want to end up with 10-20 kits for 7?  8? Death armies.  I really don't think that is sustainable at all.  That leaves them with the problem of either continuing the legion book style (similar to cities) and consolidating or cutting kits but also making the rules a lot weaker, or they try and split it out into more books but I struggle to see how that can happen without a lot of kit bloat.

Rules wise we definitely need a refresh, especially on battalions.  I would prefer to see us get touched after Seraphon, KO and Tzeentch as they need the update far more than we do.

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Considering the damage from General’s Handbook 2019 they might do some point discounts to fix the mess there.  Not that I’m confident.  We are supposed to be investing in our new Bonereapers after all.

Traditionally changes to the FAQ & Designer notes is to fix printing errors/drafts or nerf material loosely based on the tournament scene.   Battletomb:LoN isn’t going to get any AoS 2.0 upgrading there.  GW will pitch something when the Devs realize the full extent of the situation.

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I'd prefer it if I could ally bonereapers with some deathrattle. That way the deathrattle could be done form of vassal kingdom 

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My preferred vision has for a while been:

Flesh Eater Courts:  add a couple units, have some plot development that puts mannfred here in charge of the ghouls as the abhorrant mortarch, witj Nagash gaining reliable control over them through him.  aesthetic for new stuff stays mostly the same but adds a bit more in weaponry and scraps of clothing & armor, share bat units with soulblight and dire wolves with fleshcraft.

Nighthaunt: more or less as is

Soulblight: add some mortal cultists/attendants/blood donors, new plastic vamps & blood knights with a bit more of that mortarchy aesthetic.  Blood fountain terrain, faction rules emphasizing spies, manipulators, assassins   Neferata stays here, mannfred gone.

Fleshcraft Academies: arkhan, deathmages, & deadwalkers rolled together into a new faction themed around experimental necromantic chimeras & undead arcane war engines.  Almost skryresque but sinew and spirit instead of wires & electricity.  Conceptually, the wild innovators of death tasked with inventing novel concepts that can then be ritualized for implementation by the less creative, more systematic undead, and for countering Nagash's more unpredictable foes.  Mechanically Death's version of skaven, big hordes of cheap chaff to tarpit enemy units while weird monsters and bizarre war machines do the actual killing, with necromantic casters & engineers "bravely" leading from the rear.

Deathrattle: in my original vision deathrattle stuck around as the basic defensive forces of the undead, the legions which occupied and held the territory that the others took.  The faction would be expanded with concepts nicked from the tomb kings emphasizing a defensive game - catapults, the existing skeleton sprues recut with larger shields and maybe a ranged option.  Add in a new deathrattle mortarch.  Maybe krell, maybe khalida (I really like the idea of Nagash bring khalida back as a foil/counter to neferata to keep her scheming in check, only to for them to have left their hatred in the old world and become a harley & ivy type duo scheming and troublemaking together).  If not them then maybe someone new.

Legions of Death: nagash, all the mortarchs, and morghasts expanded out into their own faction with smaller, flightless versions of morghasts as the core as a stand alone "deathlords" faction.  This book would also include "legion" rules:

Grand Host of Nagash essentially an alternate ruleset for grand alliance death;  Legion of night: deathlords plus FEC;  Legion of grief: deathlords plus nighthaunt;  etc etc.

 

 

Then came OBS, which in many ways was both the stand alone deathlords/morghasts faction I imagined and the defensive deathrattle faction expanded with ideas nicked from tomb kings that I hoped for, and yet is neither.

Unlike my imagined deathlords, the OBR has exactly zero interaction with other death factions.  No "OBR + X" replacement for the existing "legions of", not even any allies.  To the contrary, their rules seem to be expressly designed to make any intra allegiance integration as difficult as possible.  Further, they're also not an elite force of large base infantry that can look the stormcasts of sigmar or chosen of chaos in the eye as they fight them, but are in fact another small base horde infantry army, more elite than other death armies sure but still grounded in large blocks of 25mm infantry buffed by support characters not far removed from ghouls or zombies or skeletons or chainrasps.

Unlike my hoped for deathrattle expansion, OBR seems to replace rather than supplement the existing line of skeletal warriors and grave guard.  Which is a shame because the plastic skeletons look great already, and if morteks were only half again as large they could have all existed together under the death banner without stepping on each others' toes.  As it is, I'm just not sure I see a place for deathrattle, conceptually or mechanically, going forward at all.

 

Don't get me wrong, as a faction in and of itself I love the OBR.  I love their fluff, I love how they look and how they play (despite my unbroken losing streak stubbornly trying to play them without petrifex or crawlers), they're easily my favorite new faction since AoS's initial release.  But I'm not sure I like what they do to or mean for the larger grand alliance of death as a whole.

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You're right about OBR, long term they have be the replacement for traditional Deathrattle. That even makes sense with the lore as surely any raised undead are better broken down and shaped into Ossiarchs.

Basic Skeletons could be considered for Garrison's or emergency numbers requirements but Nagash ultimately, wants to turn the Mortal Realms into the Ossiarch Construct Empire. 

As someone with a bucket full of skellies and grave guard to build it does make me wary of the future. Ultimately I think it does come down to copyright and having unique model ranges, anyone can do a Skeleton, Zombie or Vampire, it's the AoS twist that GW need to keep them fresh.

Legions of Nagash is already incredibly weird by having half of the Nighthaunt included and the three Mortarchs drawing on the same pool of followers (except Arkhan now has an Ossiarch Legion). So it's completely up in the air where they will go.

I like the idea of Mannfred becoming the Mortarch of the FEC. Maybe he could try to betray Nagash and be punished with an incredibly powerful delusion and be tied to the FEC.

I think Vampires will get a faction soon enough, probably dragon based and lead by Neferata (she's gotten a lot of fiction).

Then it leaves... Necromancers, Zombies and other raised undead. I really have no idea.

My current theory is we'll see an eventual LoN book with the Nighthaunt included and a few of the finecast bits dropped. Maybe in time for plastic Blood Knights. Sort of the Nagash/ Arkhan rules etc. But maybe that's more of a stopgap...

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Thankfuly I never got around to rebasing most of my old undead.  When & if this old world game ever comes out, I'll have skittles aplenty for oldhammer and ossiarchs for AoS.

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