Maturin Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Yeah balistas are unreliable. Guys, what about the Errant Questor character ? He's got a 3+ ignore rend, but can still be upgraded thanks to Staunch. He could act as another anvil in a Starcast list, what do you think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Starcast next best friend : Skink oracle on Troglodon !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) and this thing is... 140 points? EDIT: yeah probably not, with the change in the warscroll points will likely change too Edited March 3, 2020 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Looking forward to points costs and warscrolls for (any) new order wizards. The Arcane Lineage ability is a +1 (+2 fordouble drake lists) to FRIENDLY WIZARDS so no keywording to exclude non - SC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 On 3/4/2020 at 1:18 PM, Turragor said: Looking forward to points costs and warscrolls for (any) new order wizards. The Arcane Lineage ability is a +1 (+2 fordouble drake lists) to FRIENDLY WIZARDS so no keywording to exclude non - SC. well, the oracle on troglodon seems to be 260 points... 🤷♂️ http://www.lustria-online.com/threads/new-rumor.22495/page-346 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest Axe- Mount Trait: Storm-wingedCelestant-Prime (340)Lord-Castellant (120)Lord-Exorcist (120)- Spell: Azyrite HaloRunelord (90)- AlliesBattleline5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersEndless Spells / Terrain / CPsEverblaze Comet (100)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 90 / 400Wounds: 86 Im gonna test this ****** soon Im so freaking exicited about double drake, being able to cast comets every single turn and prim-o-desserto ❤️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nizrah said: Runelord (90)- Allies Provided you have access to the model (or a decent proxy) wouldn't a spellweaver be better (the one auto unbind) for just 10 points more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Marcvs said: Provided you have access to the model (or a decent proxy) wouldn't a spellweaver be better (the one auto unbind) for just 10 points more? This one have +2 to dispell so easier to take dawn comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Nizrah said: This one have +2 to dispell so easier to take dawn comet Spellweaver has one auto dispell, like Knight Incantor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue_michael Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Maturin said: Spellweaver has one auto dispell, like Knight Incantor That's an unbind. The dispel bonus is for bringing the comet back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Maturin said: Spellweaver has one auto dispell, like Knight Incantor Yeah but with the +2 you could use it 4 times to recast the comet every turn. Does the +2 to unbind apply to dispelling your own spells? Edited March 7, 2020 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Just now, Marcvs said: Yeah but with the +2 you could use it 4 times to recast the comet everry turn. Does the +2 to unbind applies to dispelling your own spells? In all freaking fantasy setting, mages dispell, but GW thoughts it'd be cool to call the same thing with two different terms ... Anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue_michael Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcvs said: Yeah but with the +2 you could use it 4 times to recast the comet every turn. Does the +2 to unbind apply to dispelling your own spells? It has an unbind and a dispel (no spell casts, but who cares for this), specifically with a +2 to both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Nizrah said: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest Axe- Mount Trait: Storm-wingedCelestant-Prime (340)Lord-Castellant (120)Lord-Exorcist (120)- Spell: Azyrite HaloRunelord (90)- AlliesBattleline5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersEndless Spells / Terrain / CPsEverblaze Comet (100)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 90 / 400Wounds: 86 Im gonna test this ****** soon Im so freaking exicited about double drake, being able to cast comets every single turn and prim-o-desserto ❤️ Let us know how it goes! I'm hoping to get to a tourney next sat but its looking dicey. If I get to go Ill take Starcast of some form or other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) On 3/6/2020 at 9:03 PM, Marcvs said: well, the oracle on troglodon seems to be 260 points... 🤷♂️ http://www.lustria-online.com/threads/new-rumor.22495/page-346 Hmm will need to be seeing these new seraphon scrolls before doing any playing in scrollbuilder... /edit actually the scroll is further down and it looks pretty badass for 260 in a starcast list. Fitting it in is cutting out a prime though. Unless you go single drake but I like the +2 to cast if allying in this big lizard. Edited March 7, 2020 by Turragor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) Hmmm... Lord Kroak is cheaper than the Prime now? And perhaps opens up a new variation of the list: Quote Abilities: - Precise Divination: Start of hero phase make a 3D6 roll. For every 4+ you receive 1 CP. - Azyrite Force Barrier: The Attack attribute of the Azyrite Force Barrier is equal to the number of enemy models within 3" - Dead since time immorial: roll a die each time you assign a wound or mortal wound to this miniature; on a 4+, deny that wound or mortal wound - Lords of order: +1 to cast, unbind and disperse. Moreover, no range restrictions for making unbind rolls. MAGIC: Can attempt to cast 4 spells and unbid 4 too. Knows Arcane Bolt, Mystic Shield, Summon comet and Celestial retribution. - Summon comet: Casting value 7. Success: 1D3 anemy units at any point on the battlefield suffer 1D3 mortal wounds (roll separately). If casting value is 10+ you choose 1D6 instead of 1D3. - Celestial Retribution: Can be cast 3 times in the same hero phase. Casting value 7 the first time, 8 the second, 9 the third time. Each time successfully cast choose up to 3 different enemy units within 10" and visible to the caster, roll 1 die for each chosen unit, on a 2+ in suffers 1d3 mortal wounds. if it is a Chaos Deamons unit it suffers 3 mortal wounds instead In a DoubleDragon Starcast list he's on a +3 to cast with 4 casts... His Celestial Retribution is casting on 4+ 5+ then 6+ Edited March 7, 2020 by Turragor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Turragor said: Hmmm... Lord Kroak is cheaper than the Prime now? Or, (back of an envelope calculation) you could do away with wizards+comet and have: LCoSD, Templar, Prime, Castellant, Kroak + 3xlibs then again, it's probably a waste not to have the comet when you have +2 to cast and Kroak to unbind it every turn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Marcvs said: Or, (back of an envelope calculation) you could do away with wizards+comet and have: LCoSD, Templar, Prime, Castellant, Kroak + 3xlibs then again, it's probably a waste not to have the comet when you have +2 to cast and Kroak to unbind it every turn As always I believe a bunch of stuff could be great and needs testing. Sadly I don't have the time or play the required amount of games to do it all! PS I like the idea of coining "stormkroak" as a list type Edited March 8, 2020 by Turragor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) I'm waiting for the faq but my list is probably going to gain a kroak and a few endless spells. Mirror looks like a no brainer. You don't really have to worry about giving away the spells in round activation as you've a 4 cast wizard to dispel what may end up being a threat. Kroak is an easy paint job too lol pity It's fine cast Ooh! If you face a Seraphon cast list (we will be seeing those) you'll have kroak on dragon 'roids to unbind all the enemy kroaks casts. Lol Edited March 10, 2020 by Turragor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Turragor said: I'm waiting for the faq but my list is probably going to gain a kroak and a few endless spells. Mirror looks like a no brainer. You don't really have to worry about giving away the spells in round activation as you've a 4 cast wizard to dispel what may end up being a threat. Kroak is an easy paint job too lol pity It's fine cast Ooh! If you face a Seraphon cast list (we will be seeing those) you'll have kroak on dragon 'roids to unbind all the enemy kroaks casts. Lol lol I have also ordered a Kroak and I might... ahem... have bought a second drake. Soo, if I am not mistaken, a double drake list with kroak instead of a celestant prime leaves 100 points to play with (120 if you also downgrade the incantor to Exorcist). I take it you would go for endless spells with these, but I am also hesitating with an Heraldor (useful also for the drakesworn, to which I would give storm-winged). In fact, if I had 20 points more of allies I would include a Saurus Guard to be able to get Kroak closer to the enemy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Marcvs said: lol I have also ordered a Kroak and I might... ahem... have bought a second drake. Soo, if I am not mistaken, a double drake list with kroak instead of a celestant prime leaves 100 points to play with (120 if you also downgrade the incantor to Exorcist). I take it you would go for endless spells with these, but I am also hesitating with an Heraldor (useful also for the drakesworn, to which I would give storm-winged). In fact, if I had 20 points more of allies I would include a Saurus Guard to be able to get Kroak closer to the enemy I am thinking of taking the incantor and the umbral spell portal, and then those 30 pts over are variable. Palisade maybe? Creating obstacles and LoS tricks are handy in this list. Edited March 10, 2020 by Turragor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 This will be the first list I test: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: AqshyLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest AxeLord-Castellant (120)Knight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord Kroak (430) -> will be (320)- Allies5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & ShieldEverblaze Comet (100)Umbral Spellportal (70)Quicksilver Swords OR Prismatic Pallisade (30)Total: 2110 / 2000 -> will be (2000)Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 430 / 400 -> will be (320)Wounds: 83 I dread to say Starcast might be approaching netlist territory (not the best or a guaranteed winner but there are a large chunk of armies that'll hate this) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Turragor said: I dread to say Starcast might be approaching netlist territory (not the best or a guaranteed winner but there are a large chunk of armies that'll hate this) Will still be wrecked by 6 Frosthorns ^^ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Turragor said: This will be the first list I test: [...] This feels really good, now I want to try this too (and, btw, I love ignax on the drake, managed to survive 3 charges from BCR thanks to that, speaking of FLoSH) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Marcvs said: This feels really good, now I want to try this too (and, btw, I love ignax on the drake, managed to survive 3 charges from BCR thanks to that, speaking of FLoSH) There are levels to it with the addition of Kroak. Besides all that he brings, I'm quite excited for the fact you'll nearly always have a mystic shield cast on the Templar Hello double dragon rr1, 1+ and 2+ save 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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