Warhammer - The Old World

[michu]

37 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

the decisive design of Lumineth.

I would argue with using design choices as an example of being out of touch. Everyone likes different things. I. for example, love cow helmets and hope that other temples will have similar crazy aesthetic.

[Beliman]

26 minutes ago, cyrus said:

Square bases are part of the game and warhammer fantasy imaginary . And no the game  does not need to be compatible with Age of Sigmar.

It was already mentioned that AoS studio will not be involved at all .

As we know it will be treated in the same manner of specialist games (aka Blood bowl and Necromunda)

Rank and file battle games are still a thing out there

I hope that the "7 years without any update" doesn't belong to this new Warhammer...

44 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Bretonnia did not receive anything new for 15 years? I had saved up a hoard of treasure to buy into new Bretonnia Models, but they never came. So how should this faction produce any revenue if it was forgotten by GW?

I always had the impresion that Bretonia was abandoned after 6th... yeah, I know that people could still play with them (that dreaded spear-charge....), but... whatever.

7 hours ago, Joseph Mackay said:

if this game doesn’t include Dwarfs, Dark/High/Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Vampire Counts etc then my interest is basically non existent. I don’t like Horus Heresy because it’s (mostly) marines vs marines. If The Old World was only Empire vs Empire (or whatever Humans are called) then I’m not interested at all.

I really want to see Norse Dwarfs and I'm open to new armies too (not interested in empire/kislev really). Another thing that I'm really interested is the main rules because even if I'm happy with 6th edition, after  playing some Conquest and Asoiaf games (imho) I can see some improvements that could be done. 

[michu]

16 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I'm happy with 6th edition

The only thing I didn't like in 6th ed was the lack of Doomwheel. How? Who thought it is a good idea?

[Beliman]

Just now, michu said:

The only thing I didn't like in 6th ed was the lack of Doomwheel. How? Who thought it is a good idea?

I've got a bit lucky. Here, we have a community that tries to update all Warhammer Fantasy units since 3th (to 8th/end times). Yep, that means some weird stuff, but they are really good on writting this type of rules.

[RuneBrush]

What I think I will say is don't write the game off entirely just because it's on square bases. 

Although cross-compatibility with AoS would be amazing, we're not even sure that the miniatures are going to fit into AoS yet - it's entirely plausible they may go back to the classic 25mm scale (rather than 28mm heroic).  I'm also sure that some clever soul could create a 20mm square base (with rounded corners) that plugs into a 25mm round converter base.

[amysrevenge]

Don't get me wrong, I estimate less than 5% chance I'll ever play the new game even once.  I've still never played Warcry (although I did buy Gloomspite cards), I haven't played underworlds since April 2018, I haven't played Blood Bowl since the twentieth century, and I don't play any of the 40k family of games.  I also have completely flipped on bases since 2015 and am now extremely anti-square.

But I'm excited to find out what they are planning, and if any of the models are sweet I'm pretty likely to pick some up.  See above regarding Underworlds and my playing thereof - I currently have 7 painted and 2 WIP Underworlds teams, and will probably be picking up another one this very evening.  $40CDN is a very sweet spot for me for a small fun hobby project, and the psychological barrier of $50CDN (which is where unit boxes for AoS start) is a big one to cross for me, between impulse purchase and planned purchase.

 

[JackStreicher]

9 hours ago, michu said:

I would argue with using design choices as an example of being out of touch. Everyone likes different things. I. for example, love cow helmets and hope that other temples will have similar crazy aesthetic.

You are right. What I mean is the constant way they used to promote the LRL which was basically saying: These are true to the old high elves. (About this has been argued over and over so let‘s not rekindle the LRL discussion).

Edited October 1, 2020 by JackStreicher

[Orsino]

On 10/1/2020 at 9:15 AM, Beliman said:

I really want to see Norse Dwarfs and I'm open to new armies too (not interested in empire/kislev really). Another thing that I'm really interested is the main rules because even if I'm happy with 6th edition, after  playing some Conquest and Asoiaf games (imho) I can see some improvements that could be done. 

Would genuinely new armies make sense here? I expect a new slant will be put on Old World factions but what would be the point of truly original armies?Wouldn't they want to keep their concepts for new armies for AoS and focus on nostalgia appeal with this game? 

[Beliman]

9 minutes ago, Orsino said:

Would genuinely new armies make sense here? I expect a new slant will be put on Old World factions but what would be the point of truly original armies?Wouldn't they want to keep their concepts for new armies for AoS and focus on nostalgia appeal with this game? 

It's a bit dificult to answer but here I go:
I remember that one of the Old World news was about that they wanted to explore  "certain aspects of its classic lore and delve into them in greater detail than ever before" , so I think (pure speculation) that we are going to see the Empire, O&G, Dwarfs, etc... but from another point of view. We know that Kislev will "return" (if we take a White Dwarf Army as seriously...), but maybe this  will open the door to things like Norsca, Waaagh Gorbad, Middenheim, karak kadrin, etc... being developed (and/or expanded) too.

That's why I went with Norse Dwarfs.

[Orsino]

3 minutes ago, Beliman said:

It's a bit dificult to answer but here I go:
I remember that one of the Old World news was about that they wanted to explore  "certain aspects of its classic lore and delve into them in greater detail than ever before" , so I think (pure speculation) that we are going to see the Empire, O&G, Dwarfs, etc... but from another point of view. We know that Kislev will "return" (if we take a White Dwarf Army as seriously...), but maybe this  will open the door to things like Norsca, Waaagh Gorbad, Middenheim, karak kadrin, etc... being developed (and/or expanded) too.

That's why I went with Norse Dwarfs.

Aye, I think some expansion make sense as long as it's rooted in extant Old World factions. Truly new stuff would seem a weird choice,  I think it's gonna be a challenge to distinguish and delineate OW from AoS as it is, particularly if they're the same scale, and truly new factions would compound that issue. 

[michu]

@Orsino So for Bretonnia - Moussillon?

[Orsino]

33 minutes ago, michu said:

@Orsino So for Bretonnia - Moussillon?

Would that be stepping on FEC's mutilated toes? 

With something like Bretonnia it seems fairly easy. They're aesthetically pretty different to anything in AoS. What I don't so much get is how it'll work with stuff like the elven or dwarven factions. A lot of Warhammer Fantasy sculpts are still in use in elven factions. Elves in the classic style and in the same scale wouldn't feel distinctively different from an AoS army. 

That's why I kinda suspect it'll be a different scale, that would draw a clear line between the two games. 

[GorbadIronClaw]

On 9/23/2020 at 3:31 PM, Beastmaster said:

Like Darth said: I find your lack of faith disturbing. 😄

We have to keep in mind that these are chaotic times indeed. No one could expect what happened in the last months, and no one knows what will happen during the next. Just cut them some slack. 

I find disturbing you find disturbing me beign discouraged by this discourageful lack of news😆

[Ggom]

If there are Asrai, and I like the models, I can live with square bases and such. Flanking and facing and a chunky ruleset I can appreciate, as long as the models are fun to paint.

[Carnelian]

Is it still possible they can be on round bases but in square rank and flank trays?

[amysrevenge]

I don't see "delve into them in greater detail" and hear "take things in a new direction".  I hear the opposite of that. Lean in to what's already there, hard.

[Evangelist of Cinders]

On 10/3/2020 at 9:52 AM, Carnelian said:

Is it still possible they can be on round bases but in square rank and flank trays?

anything is possible this early in development, but on streams and ads they have emphasized it'll be square bases, also sales wise you don't want every AoS player with a proxyiable army NOT buying the new hotness

 

[Clan's Cynic]

On 10/3/2020 at 2:52 PM, Carnelian said:

Is it still possible they can be on round bases but in square rank and flank trays?

I think it will depend entirely on how much 'crossover' they want with the existing WHFB line. If they don't mind some crossover with existing models that 'probably' won't be updated for even longer - Black Orcs come to mind, Sarus Warriors, Dark Elf infantry, Ironbreakers, etc - I could definitely see them doing the War of the Ring thing of having square trays with round bases. Most new rank-and-file games like A Song of Ice & Fire and Conquest do this as well and are usually a bit more spaced out than WHFB was to allow for more dynamic poses (one of the complaints of the WHFB range).

On the other hand, if the range ends up being 100% spanking new models with zero crossover with WHFB's old-but-existing-kits (beyond proxies) then I'd expect squares just for marketing/"It's totally different to AoS, promise".

Edited October 4, 2020 by Clan's Cynic

[Beliman]

4 hours ago, amysrevenge said:

I don't see "delve into them in greater detail" and hear "take things in a new direction".  I hear the opposite of that. Lean in to what's already there, hard.

If that's for my answer, I don't think that we are going to see something really unique and new as Kharadrons Overlords btw.

I was talking more about what was already there but without any models.

[Noserenda]

I dunno, i look at how fast Age of Darkness shrank once they removed crossover with 40k, that and how much better models are and can be on larger round bases but i suppose its hardly something theyd lie about. Just hope there are movement tray adaptors as mentioned by a few.

That said my old dwarves are still sat on square bases as they were mid revamp when the horror of AoS 1 became apparent

[Greybeard86]

20 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

WHFB was to allow for more dynamic poses (one of the complaints of the WHFB range).

I very much prefer the "footprint" approach; requiring the number of models to represent the actual size of the unit always seemed more of a marketing demand than anything else to me. If you just care about the overall base, then you can have wonderful dioramas in the middle, and there is far more freedom with poses.

[Clan's Cynic]

16 hours ago, Noserenda said:

I dunno, i look at how fast Age of Darkness shrank once they removed crossover with 40k, that and how much better models are and can be on larger round bases but i suppose its hardly something theyd lie about. Just hope there are movement tray adaptors as mentioned by a few.

That said my old dwarves are still sat on square bases as they were mid revamp when the horror of AoS 1 became apparent

I feel like the difference is that 30k was really targeted at 40k players. People talk about Primaris being about convincing Marine players to rebuy their army all over again, but really 30k had already been doing that a few years prior. A lot of people got into 30k to build Legion armies which would mostly be fighting peoples 40k armies, rather than Legion vs Legion and never had much of a true '30k' scene to begin with. If you've ever seen the people who argue 30k should move to 8th, it's 'generally' not people who had a very committed 30k army vs 30k army community and tends to be more those who were just playing 40k with a different set of Marine rules,

I don't think GW will really be aiming to bring AoS players over as their core audience so much as draw back in those people who're playing Kings of War/other rank-and-file games, or who're playing AoS but really wish they were playing WHFB again but 'went with the flow'. Obviously they really do want AoS (and 40k, etc) players to get involved too but I don't think they're the target audience in the same way 30k was (is?) designed to appeal to existing 40k players.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Clan's Cynic

[Noserenda]

Eh, plenty of Hardcore Heresy players were happy to play 40k armies too, if nothing else the Heresy scene originated with Pre heresy stuff so we were doing a lot of great crusade weekenders and stuff  I just wish they hadnt stuck with the worst version of 40k  

That flexibility is a big selling point when stepping into a new game system though, Lord knows ive probably got a dozen random armies from dead systems in boxes out in the garage and thats with selling all the ones anyone wanted, and thats not particularly uncommon either. Knowing you can always field your Kislev (or whatever) army in AoS is a solid backup plan if old world fails to take off (Overall or locally whatever) is going to be a big help to someone dropping a few hundred quid on it!

Ive no idea what their sales numbers are or were for old Warhammer other than "low enough to gamble on AoS" but anecdotally i doubt theres a huge scene for rank and file games these days, though id definitely like there to be  I mean there have been 2 kings of war armies in the garage of shame

[Painbringer]

An article showing the map of Bretonnia has been published on Warhammer community website: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/28/the-old-world-your-first-look-at-the-map-of-bretonnia/

Personally, I like this and I am more and more interested in how is "WH: The Old World" going to look like.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Painbringer

[Segersgia]

Louen The Orc Slayer, eh?

This is indeed taking place during the Time of Three Emperors.