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20 minutes ago, michu said:

They could make Old World's army sizes closer to 4th ed -  sample 1000 pts dwarf army consisted of circa 30 miniatures.

4th ed army size + 6th ed-like rules would be good.

My 7e 2000 points Tomb Kings had only 55 models, just like my 2000 points OBR list now. :P

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2 minutes ago, Panzer said:

My 7e 2000 points Tomb Kings had only 55 models, just like my 2000 points OBR list now. :P

You lucky skeleton (sorry, construct). That's one unit of clanrats + some more clanrats...

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3 minutes ago, michu said:

You lucky skeleton (sorry, construct). That's one unit of clanrats + some more clanrats...

I could never play a horde army.¬†ūüėÖ

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20 minutes ago, Panzer said:

My 7e 2000 points Tomb Kings had only 55 models, just like my 2000 points OBR list now. :P

Praise core chariots?¬†ūüėÉ

 

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3 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said:

Praise core chariots?¬†ūüėÉ

 

Yeah, though it was only 8 of those. :P 

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5 hours ago, EccentricCircle said:

Waiting to see what happens with the new game certainly makes sense, but I would like to point out that the Old World as a setting isn't just limited to whatever this new game turns out to be. In this thread we've already had discussion about Mordheim, Warmaster, Dreadfleet, and various other extant games based on that setting. You could argue that those aren't really relevant to Age of Sigmar discussions, but since they are the history of the game this forum is about (both mechanically and lorewise), I think they are an important facet of what this forum is about. If anything GW's renewed interest in the Old World setting shows that they consider it an extension of the current game.

It‚Äôs a wait and see. ūüėČ

I imagine if it’s popular, we can see a subforum for it. As for the other stuff, mention it in the feedback forum and tag Ben in. If there is call for it, it could happen

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Heresy will more than likely start to wind down in a couple of years time as the story arc reaches its zenith.

Realistically I can imagine that from a business perspective this would be ideal material to hand to Forgeworld to run with, and like heresy I can see the most manageable way would be to have a core book - perhaps the 9th edition book that wasn't released but is ready to go to print, and then look to campaign style books like heresy has done.

Its all a long way off yet,

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1 hour ago, Kaleb Daark said:

Heresy will more than likely start to wind down in a couple of years time as the story arc reaches its zenith.

Realistically I can imagine that from a business perspective this would be ideal material to hand to Forgeworld to run with, and like heresy I can see the most manageable way would be to have a core book - perhaps the 9th edition book that wasn't released but is ready to go to print, and then look to campaign style books like heresy has done.

Its all a long way off yet,

There was a 9th edition book?

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Well so far we haven't seen much. I predict round bases and AoS rules with the Old World as the source material. They'll take a conflict to focus on at first for sure and I could imagine that being the opening of the Storm of Chaos. Oh well, who knows?

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14 hours ago, EccentricCircle said:

There was a 9th edition book?

It was already written, but the decision to pull the plug was taken instead.  We're talking about half way into 8th here, which is why it never went to print.

It'd be ideal forgeworld specialist games fodder when heresy finally runs out of steam.

But it's all years away yet. All they really said in their article was that a team are prepped to start looking at it, nothing more.

Those models on their square bases are going to stay in their cases for a good while yet I'd imagine.

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The new dlc of TWW actually reminds me how good and popular Malus was

Since we have Gotrek back and potentially more old characters back, I really wish one day GW will bring Malus back as well, he is that kind of anti-hero AOS now needs.

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Has anyone been reading any Black Library books to get in the mood? I was reading the Brunner the Bounty hunter Omnibus when they made the announcement and just jumped into Drachenfels. 
 

i highly recommend both.

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24 minutes ago, Vomikron said:

Has anyone been reading any Black Library books to get in the mood? I was reading the Brunner the Bounty hunter Omnibus when they made the announcement and just jumped into Drachenfels. 
 

i highly recommend both.

I am still working my way through the HH book series that I came late to but plan to take a break from them soon and enjoy some classic fantasy BL books.

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23 hours ago, Whitefang said:

The new dlc of TWW actually reminds me how good and popular Malus was

Since we have Gotrek back and potentially more old characters back, I really wish one day GW will bring Malus back as well, he is that kind of anti-hero AOS now needs.

As much as I love WHF, I think it's important that AoS develops its own cast of iconic figureheads rather than trying to Frankenstein them from the past. 

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1 minute ago, Clan's Cynic said:

As much as I love WHF, I think it's important that AoS develops its own cast of iconic figureheads rather than trying to Frankenstein them from the past. 

Probably the best thing about this announcement. There is clearly a strong attachment and nostalgia for the Old World and it's characters (both in the community and design team)

Now they can both have some space to develop in parallel instead of new and outlandish ways to put them in the new setting.

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Just now, Clan's Cynic said:

As much as I love WHF, I think it's important that AoS develops its own cast of iconic figureheads rather than trying to Frankenstein them from the past. 

Agree, but I do feel the endings for many beloved characters in ET  were bad written, they deserve something more in the new legend

After several hints and Gotrek, GW will certainly continue to bring some of them back 

Looking forward to the novel for Olynder though, as a mortarch she should not just be a "bad hateful female ghost"

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13 hours ago, Vomikron said:

Has anyone been reading any Black Library books to get in the mood? I was reading the Brunner the Bounty hunter Omnibus when they made the announcement and just jumped into Drachenfels. 
 

i highly recommend both.

I've recently read Liber Necris and loved it. A bit too short, could have been developed much more. But I liked how it delves into details not found in other sources, like the Vashanesh figure (even if at times, it contradicts previous fluff :D).

I now started Blood on the Reik, can't think of a better book to get into the Old World mood! Also got The Life of Sigmar on the waiting list. I think these purely background books publications by Black Library are their true gems, more than the novels. Fascinating stuff.

Regarding novels, I'd love if they re-published Genevieve The Vampire just because an omnibus is so much more convenient than tracking down 4 out of print books. Maybe at some point in the Warhammer Horror line it could fit.

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33 minutes ago, VBS said:

I've recently read Liber Necris and loved it. A bit too short, could have been developed much more. But I liked how it delves into details not found in other sources, like the Vashanesh figure (even if at times, it contradicts previous fluff :D).

I now started Blood on the Reik, can't think of a better book to get into the Old World mood! Also got The Life of Sigmar on the waiting list. I think these purely background books publications by Black Library are their true gems, more than the novels. Fascinating stuff.

Regarding novels, I'd love if they re-published Genevieve The Vampire just because an omnibus is so much more convenient than tracking down 4 out of print books. Maybe at some point in the Warhammer Horror line it could fit.

I love how the background books are written from an in universe point of view. You can excuse any discrepancies in Liber Necris, because its literally just Manfred von Carstein writing the history of the Undead for his own amusement. I'm sure it would have been longer if they'd kept all of the dark spells and secret rites of the undead in there, rather than trimming out pages upon pages of necromantic gibberish, which our mortal minds couldn't comprehend anyway.

The Genevieve novels are actually back in print as part of Warhammer Horror, there are good audio book versions of Drachenfels and Gevevieve Undead, and I believe the other two are out in paper back.

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1 hour ago, VBS said:

I've recently read Liber Necris and loved it. A bit too short, could have been developed much more. But I liked how it delves into details not found in other sources, like the Vashanesh figure (even if at times, it contradicts previous fluff :D).

I now started Blood on the Reik, can't think of a better book to get into the Old World mood! Also got The Life of Sigmar on the waiting list. I think these purely background books publications by Black Library are their true gems, more than the novels. Fascinating stuff.

Regarding novels, I'd love if they re-published Genevieve The Vampire just because an omnibus is so much more convenient than tracking down 4 out of print books. Maybe at some point in the Warhammer Horror line it could fit.

Blood on the Reik is phenomenal. Lots of inspiration for conversions.

 

im pretty sure they did re-releases of all the Geneviève novels. Drachenfels, Silver Nailes, Geneviève Undead, and Beasts in Velvet all got reprinted with fantastic covers

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On 11/30/2019 at 2:05 PM, EccentricCircle said:

I love how the background books are written from an in universe point of view. You can excuse any discrepancies in Liber Necris, because its literally just Manfred von Carstein writing the history of the Undead for his own amusement. I'm sure it would have been longer if they'd kept all of the dark spells and secret rites of the undead in there, rather than trimming out pages upon pages of necromantic gibberish, which our mortal minds couldn't comprehend anyway.

The Genevieve novels are actually back in print as part of Warhammer Horror, there are good audio book versions of Drachenfels and Gevevieve Undead, and I believe the other two are out in paper back.

Yes, the Manfred point of view is interesting and clearly shows in how he refers to some of the characters... For some reason I thought the book would resemble more an old grimoire with crazy necromantic artwork and stuff (leaving out the gibberish!). Closer to a study on the undead, sort of like the creepy artwork found in the 6th ed VC (my favorite undead book):

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I should also pay more attention to new releases. The Genevieve series are indeed re-released! Still prefer an omnibus for convenience....

 

About TOW: Hoping we'll get a news schedule or something next time they mention it, with punctual updates every 5-6 months for example. I bet there will be further news at Adepticon since it is supposed to be the biggest and best preview ever (so certainly at least a little bit for every GW game?).

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On 11/28/2019 at 7:30 PM, Kaleb Daark said:

It was already written, but the decision to pull the plug was taken instead.  We're talking about half way into 8th here, which is why it never went to print.

It'd be ideal forgeworld specialist games fodder when heresy finally runs out of steam.

But it's all years away yet. All they really said in their article was that a team are prepped to start looking at it, nothing more.

Those models on their square bases are going to stay in their cases for a good while yet I'd imagine.

Do you have a source?
First I've heard that they were that far along on 9th edition WFB.

 

 

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1 hour ago, gjnoronh said:

Do you have a source?
First I've heard that they were that far along on 9th edition WFB.

 

 

Yeah, the way I heard it they were already started on what would become AoS well before the End Times, like 2012 or earlier.

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There was an interview with R. Priestley were he mentioned that plans for making massive changes to the old world since the end of 7th ed. And that he wrote about advancing the timeline with Karl Franz getting murdered and the Empire wrecked by a Nurgle invasion. Ironically, it was considered too extreme back then O.o Those ideas were later recycled into Tamurkhan as an alternative series (also cancelled). So it is safe to assume that during 8th (2009-2010 onward) they were already working on big changes, whether it was an initial version of AoS or a 9th edition with heavy modifications. Or possibly the later first, and then getting scraped for the former somewhere along those 5 years.

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I heard the ET has been planned relatively long, but the idea of AOS was only created half an year they really destroyed the old hammer

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