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Would love if they produced a Mordheim boxed game as a kind of teaser during the 3+ years we have until the Old World game debuts. 

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16 minutes ago, Golgfag said:

Would love if they produced a Mordheim boxed game as a kind of teaser during the 3+ years we have until the Old World game debuts. 

I would lose my mind if this happened.

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I have been thinking about it for a while, but I think at some point I will convert the warcry rules for the mordheim setting. Probably mostly count-as of existing warbands to keep a decent balance, with some perma-death and fun injuries tacked on... and of course a table full of warped ruins...

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I honestly would miss the WHFB setting much less if GW had ported every army to AoS. Tomb Kings and Bretons being the obvious ones but also classic elves and dwarfs instead of JUST modern twists on them (and now Cities of Sigmar).

The loss of rank&file would still suck since I really enjoyed that kind of gameplay, but the AoS rules have their own set of advantages so I could live with that.

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I am hoping for a new game in the spirit of Warmaster (Though I think it would suit AoS better, Godbeasts, Cogforts etc)

If they do stay at GW 28mm scale I hope they fully embrace the Heresy dynamic and set it in the Time of Legends.

Have it released in the same episodic Campaign style.

War of the Beard

Sigmar vs Nagash

Skaven/Dwarf/Gobbo wars.

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9 hours ago, Golgfag said:

Would love if they produced a Mordheim boxed game as a kind of teaser during the 3+ years we have until the Old World game debuts. 

That would be insanely good but unfortunately I think the philosophy behind Mordheim's rules is pretty alien to modern GW games with the exception of Necromunda. I'd love it but seeing Mordheim with a clean, simplified ruleset would not be pleasant.

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19 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

That would be insanely good but unfortunately I think the philosophy behind Mordheim's rules is pretty alien to modern GW games with the exception of Necromunda. I'd love it but seeing Mordheim with a clean, simplified ruleset would not be pleasant.

Yup. Mordheim does have its issues, but they are easy to houserule. Why fix something that’s not broken?

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12 hours ago, Vomikron said:
12 hours ago, Golgfag said:

Would love if they produced a Mordheim boxed game as a kind of teaser during the 3+ years we have until the Old World game debuts. 

I would lose my mind if this happened.

100% this!

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When I look at ranges like the new Necromunda or some of the Warcry models, it just makes me excited for the idea of what they could do if Mordheim did return, bring so much of that craziness from the artwork to life in miniature form.

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I always wanted to see mordheim return like necromunda. I'm not fussed if they released new war brands instead of being able to use existing box sets.

Fully customisable minis, maybe even with magnestiesd parts to upgrade as you go

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I dunno if they even need to re-release Mordheim. It holds up really well, it has plenty of fan-created content like WyrdWars, and the original aesthetic is pretty different from GW's current stuff. 

Not that I would say no to new Mordheim, obviously. But I and my game group will still play it regardless of any updates.

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I don’t think I could imagine a better modern update of the classic Monkey’s Paw tale than GW, after a prolonged campaign by fans of the original game,  bringing out a new updated version of Mordheim. 

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10 hours ago, JPjr said:

I don’t think I could imagine a better modern update of the classic Monkey’s Paw tale than GW, after a prolonged campaign by fans of the original game,  bringing out a new updated version of Mordheim. 

So true. ūüėĪ

Then again, new models with all-in Mordheim aesthetics would be nice. But it would definitely come with rules and cards and stuff, sadly.

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Only 3 ancient grogs care about this news here and we have a huge warhammer scene here. We also have lots of Sigmar players they far outnumber the fantasy players. 3fantasy players and like 20 AoS players here. I know it’s only my store but the same ratio at the other store in town. Definitely not going to be a thing here. 

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12 hours ago, JPjr said:

I don’t think I could imagine a better modern update of the classic Monkey’s Paw tale than GW, after a prolonged campaign by fans of the original game,  bringing out a new updated version of Mordheim. 

Can you imagine... Mordheim where warband members are locked into particular weapon loadouts. Where only your leader can advance or change. Where the rules don't incentivise OTT complexity and ludicrous nonsense.  Warcry and Kill Team are fun for what they are and Underworlds is fantastic but they're very, very different beasts.

The Dave Gallagher art for Shadows Over Hammerhal shows they could still handle the aesthetics, more or less. I think Specialist Games could do it. Modern Necromunda keeps a lot of the old spirit of the game, right down to the frequently haphazard and sloppily written rules. Otherwise, yes, it would be a curse.

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12 hours ago, JPjr said:

I don’t think I could imagine a better modern update of the classic Monkey’s Paw tale than GW, after a prolonged campaign by fans of the original game,  bringing out a new updated version of Mordheim. 

To be honest, I've had tremendous fun playing Necromunda so far (so much that it outmatched my group of friends' desire to play 40k, our "main" game for about a year or so). Granted, I never played the old necromunda, but from what I gather I feel that the current iteration is much more enjoyable, both regarding the revamped bands' aesthetics as well as the rules themselves. So, if GW were to revamp Mordheim at all and make it in any way similar to Necromunda, I'd be a happy camper. 

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33 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

Can you imagine... Mordheim where warband members are locked into particular weapon loadouts. Where only your leader can advance or change. Where the rules don't incentivise OTT complexity and ludicrous nonsense.  Warcry and Kill Team are fun for what they are and Underworlds is fantastic but they're very, very different beasts.

The Dave Gallagher art for Shadows Over Hammerhal shows they could still handle the aesthetics, more or less. I think Specialist Games could do it. Modern Necromunda keeps a lot of the old spirit of the game, right down to the frequently haphazard and sloppily written rules. Otherwise, yes, it would be a curse.

This is a thing, newer sets are less flexible. Underworld (which I do adore) quite prominently so. These will not feel like "your dudes", because they have less character development than a redshirt in TOS Star Trek.

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I know this is an Age of Sigmar forum but is there any chance we’ll get an Ol World sub forum?

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22 minutes ago, Vomikron said:

I know this is an Age of Sigmar forum but is there any chance we’ll get an Ol World sub forum?

At the moment, no. This is basically because we’ve got to wait a while before we know what is going to happen with it. As we get closer to the release we may do something like that but this topic should be the place to chat about it.

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14 hours ago, JPjr said:

I don’t think I could imagine a better modern update of the classic Monkey’s Paw tale than GW, after a prolonged campaign by fans of the original game,  bringing out a new updated version of Mordheim. 

I'd take Mordheim over a new version of WFB. I hate painting! ;) 

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2 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

This is a thing, newer sets are less flexible. Underworld (which I do adore) quite prominently so. These will not feel like "your dudes", because they have less character development than a redshirt in TOS Star Trek.

That's the thing though, they can make flexible kits. I think the current approach is perfectly fine for Underworlds and tbh most line infantry for AoS/40k but kits like the Necromunda gang boxes have a lot of versatility in loadout and personality, even with some duplication of broad poses (some are better than others). They don't have absolutely everything you might need for a campaign and the amount of suitable gear can be out of sync with what a player might prefer to use but they're wonderful kits.

Now imagine a 10-person set of Mordheim mercenaries done in the same fashion. 5 broad body types, 20 heads (some plausibly Middenheim or Reiklander, etc), a mix of armour plates, half a dozen swords, the same for axes and daggers, maybe four spears/halberd/greatswords, some crossbows and blunderbusses, a pistol or three, a flaming torch... Just like the old Free Company kit, only better.

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4 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

That's the thing though, they can make flexible kits. I think the current approach is perfectly fine for Underworlds and tbh most line infantry for AoS/40k but kits like the Necromunda gang boxes have a lot of versatility in loadout and personality, even with some duplication of broad poses (some are better than others). They don't have absolutely everything you might need for a campaign and the amount of suitable gear can be out of sync with what a player might prefer to use but they're wonderful kits.

Now imagine a 10-person set of Mordheim mercenaries done in the same fashion. 5 broad body types, 20 heads (some plausibly Middenheim or Reiklander, etc), a mix of armour plates, half a dozen swords, the same for axes and daggers, maybe four spears/halberd/greatswords, some crossbows and blunderbusses, a pistol or three, a flaming torch... Just like the old Free Company kit, only better.

I wants it. I wants multiple of it.

Basically what Frostgrave sets bring: loads of options for weapons, heads, adventuring gear (like ropes, lanterns, torches, bags etc).

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18 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

That's the thing though, they can make flexible kits. I think the current approach is perfectly fine for Underworlds and tbh most line infantry for AoS/40k but kits like the Necromunda gang boxes have a lot of versatility in loadout and personality, even with some duplication of broad poses (some are better than others). They don't have absolutely everything you might need for a campaign and the amount of suitable gear can be out of sync with what a player might prefer to use but they're wonderful kits.

Now imagine a 10-person set of Mordheim mercenaries done in the same fashion. 5 broad body types, 20 heads (some plausibly Middenheim or Reiklander, etc), a mix of armour plates, half a dozen swords, the same for axes and daggers, maybe four spears/halberd/greatswords, some crossbows and blunderbusses, a pistol or three, a flaming torch... Just like the old Free Company kit, only better.

Would be an instant¬†¬†buy not only for me I think ūü§§

Also a great way to introduce some new and variable battleline infantry for long-neglected AoS armies. Basically, all the classical Mordheim Warbands would fit into some AoS army as a long overdue addition of fresh models: Skaven, Empire, Vampires, Witch Hunters... See the pattern? Just like Warcry was for our Slaves fans.

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1 hour ago, Double Misfire said:

I'd take Mordheim over a new version of WFB. I hate painting! ;) 

They could make Old World's army sizes closer to 4th ed -  sample 1000 pts dwarf army consisted of circa 30 miniatures.

4th ed army size + 6th ed-like rules would be good.

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1 hour ago, Gaz Taylor said:

At the moment, no. This is basically because we’ve got to wait a while before we know what is going to happen with it. As we get closer to the release we may do something like that but this topic should be the place to chat about it.

Waiting to see what happens with the new game certainly makes sense, but I would like to point out that the Old World as a setting isn't just limited to whatever this new game turns out to be. In this thread we've already had discussion about Mordheim, Warmaster, Dreadfleet, and various other extant games based on that setting. You could argue that those aren't really relevant to Age of Sigmar discussions, but since they are the history of the game this forum is about (both mechanically and lorewise), I think they are an important facet of what this forum is about. If anything GW's renewed interest in the Old World setting shows that they consider it an extension of the current game.

This forum sometimes feels as though it lacks a proper space for "off topic" discussions, and as a result they end up springing up in Age of Sigmar related topics. Rather than trying to get things back on track everytime 40K or the old world comes up, why not have an area for "Other games" or Other GW games" in general, where that kind of discussion can go? This forum is a brilliant community, one of the best I've ever encountered in the tabletop gaming sphere, but it does sometimes feel a little too focused on its niche of that hobby.

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