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Warhammer - The Old World

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When I say rules support from the start for all armies, I don't mean army books and the like, that would be an unreasonable expectation, I mean at the very least PDF rules or the index books similar to the start of 8th edition 40k, so none of the armies that existed during the final years of WFB are left waiting for support.

As I know the guys in my current club who are excited for this like I am would just lose interest if they are left waiting even longer to have official rules for their favourite armies when GW has shown they are capable of doing get you by rules for all armies at launch of a new system as they did with the initial launch of AoS & then with 8th edition of 40k. 

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12 minutes ago, Golgfag said:

When I say rules support from the start for all armies, I don't mean army books and the like, that would be an unreasonable expectation, I mean at the very least PDF rules or the index books similar to the start of 8th edition 40k, so none of the armies that existed during the final years of WFB are left waiting for support.

As I know the guys in my current club who are excited for this like I am would just lose interest if they are left waiting even longer to have official rules for their favourite armies when GW has shown they are capable of doing get you by rules for all armies at launch of a new system as they did with the initial launch of AoS & then with 8th edition of 40k. 

That would be cool, I’m not sure what I’d bet on honestly. That kind of full support for factions is what they do for mainline games, I’m not sure they’d do it for a « specialist » game. Maybe like 6 factions that cover most of the range, like human realms, chaos worshippers, undead hordes etc? I can’t even bring myself to keep on writing this since it’s like pure fanfiction at this point haha

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5 minutes ago, Moldek said:

I’m not sure they’d do it for a « specialist » game.

Necromunda and Blood Bowl got pdf rules for all gangs/teams that existed before. They were just  updated later with proper release of that factions.

 

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I could see them go the way they did with Middle Earth in its latest edtion actually. There is one rulebook (to rule them all), and then two "army books" one covering everything in the Lord of the Rings, and one covering everything in the Hobbit. They included all of the units in the games, even the ones that didn't presently have model support. So basically with those three books, you have all the stats, and weren't left waiting for the various campaign books to get to your preferred faction. Clearly said campaign books each add a few more profiles to the army lists, but that is an add on to what was, at launch, a complete game system.

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2 hours ago, Golgfag said:

When I say rules support from the start for all armies, I don't mean army books and the like, that would be an unreasonable expectation, I mean at the very least PDF rules or the index books similar to the start of 8th edition 40k, so none of the armies that existed during the final years of WFB are left waiting for support.

The index books put me off 40k completely - i bought them all only for them to be replaced almost immediately with codexes which vastly outclassed the index rules. Now, only 2 and a half years into 40k 8th, we already have 2.0 codexes for SM and CSM - financially i want to spend my hobby budget on models not rules, so ive dropped 40k. This has however led to a massive influx of AoS models 😁

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22 minutes ago, Captain Marius said:

The index books put me off 40k completely - i bought them all only for them to be replaced almost immediately with codexes which vastly outclassed the index rules. Now, only 2 and a half years into 40k 8th, we already have 2.0 codexes for SM and CSM - financially i want to spend my hobby budget on models not rules, so ive dropped 40k. This has however led to a massive influx of AoS models 😁

That’s one thing kinda putting me off of the main games, especially 40k. If i ever play it again I think I’ll just dust up the old 3rd ed rulebook from my childhood

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Chatting with some friends who are involved with GW business, they said it might be forge worlds succession plan to HH. 

In which case they might follow the same format, campaign style books focussing on a few factions at a time with minis to support. (Maybe a ravening hordes book as a get-you-by).

People wondering why GW has made this move, the most popular thread on this AoS forum is about the old world. KoW and T9A forums aren’t talking about the latest AoS news.

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That's actually an interesting thought on it being a continuation of HH internally in terms of production. Certainly FW has undersupported fantasy for a long time; plus HH was getting to a point where it was almost complete and they did sadly lose the main designer/power behind it. All that added together would be a really great shift in terms of moving forward without slaving Gw to just "more marines".

 

Indeed I get a sort of feeling that whilst GW likes marines lots because they sell; they really want to try and push other lines as well.

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If I recall correctly FW said they can easily see themselves doing HH books for 10 more years, so I doubt Old World will have anything to do with HH ending or something like that.

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Hopefully with the new factory getting going, we will see Forge World follow main GW in becoming heavily plastic based, as that is the only thing stopping me from collecting a HH army and would be nice if in three years the new fantasy models are plastic, ideally along with the re release of a lot of the former plastic kits too.

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I don't think it will happen... The whole FW's gimmick is resin miniatures as they can be more detailed than plastic. 

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5 minutes ago, michu said:

I don't think it will happen... The whole FW's gimmick is resin miniatures as they can be more detailed than plastic. 

Yes and no. Adepticus Titanicus is FW and that's all plastic for the core range with supporting resin expansion weapon options. 

For an Old World game I can see them pushing for plastic because rank and file with resin would be prohibitively expensive. 

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I still think that if they want people to buy models and not just use their old wfb armies it will be done in Warmaster scale.

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3 minutes ago, michu said:

I still think that if they want people to buy models and not just use their old wfb armies it will be done in Warmaster scale.

The 28mm customer won't buy it in warmaster scale full stop. They are totally separate game markets, which whilst they overlap, the 28mm is by far and away the larger market. Heck consider that for the most part hte bulk of 5-15mm companies are one-man bands in a shed casting models on a small production scale. Often as not the rules are written by someone else and some "game systems" are only possible by merging rules and models from multiple different producers. There's a few more serious firms doing WWII and historical games; but by and large the fantasy and sci-fi isn't very powerful at present. 

I want Warmaster back as a fantasy game in that scale; however I don't see this being that. If it was GW would not have let with a 28mm base photo nor compared it to the Horus Hersey game. 

 

 

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I heavily doubt the idea they will change the scale in such a dramatic way, they may claim all they have so far is a logo but there is no way the creative minds behind this new project will not have at the very least an idea about what form the game & miniatures will take, so with GW becoming a lot better with their community engagement, I have no belief they would make such a monumental misstep as to have pushed the concept of classic WFB square base size in the initial launch including things like memes just to pull a fast one on their customer base when it has nothing to do with classic WFB other then the setting.

If this was 5 or 6 years ago, the old dumb GW management with their extreme secrecy, who thought the solution to fixing WFB was killing it off and that selling specialist games like BB diluted the sales of their main games then sure I can understand the belief they are lying with their initial launch but they have drastically changed in mindset in recent years.

GW have realised as they did with their specialist games like BB & Necromunda that they leave money on the table when they don't support all sorts of wargames.

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I’ve been in the warhammer hobby for almost 15  years. Started with wfb and then included 40k. Took a hiatus for a few years gamewise  (not bookwise)  and jumped back fully in with AoS (2016 about). 
I tried very briefly to read up on KoW and 9th age  ( and had no feeling for them) and gave up completely on 8th Ed fantasy only because I found out I only like a system  that is supported. I now find I have barely enough time for 1 system ( AoS) and have given up trying to work back into 40k (black library aside). While I love the old world, I also love the Mortal Realms and will stick with this only. 
I just don’t have time to worry about a new system. I’ll see when I get there. 
In the meantime, I have to deal with the Gloomspite, Stormcast and as yet only an idea - Mawtribe. Years at the rate I go by. 😸

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I think if it turned out to be Warmaster scale a lot of people would be mad, and also confused about why GW did marketing around the return of square bases to then introduce a game with mostly rectangular bases with a bunch of minis stuck to each one

I mean a lot of people will be mad whatever happens, but I don't think they'd want to self-inflict the injury in that way

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My new totally unfounded dream/hope is not that this is 6/8/10/28/32/whatever stupid scale it is that you all want to argue over and they just dodge all that nonsense and drop a new legacy style version of Mighty Empires instead.

I’ll be happy, everyone else can, frankly, go swivel. job done. 
 

 

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11 minutes ago, JPjr said:

My new totally unfounded dream/hope is not that this is 6/8/10/28/32/whatever stupid scale it is that you all want to argue over and they just dodge all that nonsense and drop a new legacy style version of Mighty Empires instead.

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38 minutes ago, JPjr said:

My new totally unfounded dream/hope is not that this is 6/8/10/28/32/whatever stupid scale it is that you all want to argue over and they just dodge all that nonsense and drop a new legacy style version of Mighty Empires instead.

I’ll be happy, everyone else can, frankly, go swivel. job done. 
 

 

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A big regret in my hobby buying was to not buy the tuetogens and the mighty empires when they were available. I have 1 hex of the mighty empire that came  with white dwarf I think. 
....,sorrow......

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1 hour ago, JPjr said:

My new totally unfounded dream/hope is not that this is 6/8/10/28/32/whatever stupid scale it is that you all want to argue over and they just dodge all that nonsense and drop a new legacy style version of Mighty Empires instead.

I’ll be happy, everyone else can, frankly, go swivel. job done. 
 

 

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Well now I hope it’s just a release of Monopoly : The Old World...

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On another note I hope we get re-prints  of some of the Fantasy lore books like the Witchhunters Handbook, The Life of Sigmar, and Blood on the Reik. They really added to the grounded, historical feel of the old world.

 

i used to have them all and now they’re going for $300 on eBay. 

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Sadly BL makes a lot of the lore and art books limited print runs. It's a shame as there's some really great stuff like the Libre Chaotica out there - but the limited runs mean if you don't have the money in the week or so it goes up for pre-order- then the stock will vanish very fast before you'll get another chance. And then yeah they end up 2 or 3 copies on ebay at insane prices and they take a long while to come around cheaper. 

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I'm sure that GW isn't going to sell a game without the need to buy new miniatures...  Based on that premise I'm sure the armies we'll see are the armies they're thinking to sell well.

Chaos, Empire, Vampires, Dwarfs and/or Orcs. I don't think we'll see rules for other armies at the launch.

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14 hours ago, michu said:

I don't think it will happen... The whole FW's gimmick is resin miniatures as they can be more detailed than plastic. 

That hasn't been the case for a long time now. GW plastic is just as detailed as FW resin, some of the FW products are plastic as well and finally the main reason for resin was that it doesn't require to sell as many models to pay for the moulds as it would be the case with plastic miniatures.

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