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Warhammer - The Old World

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Why is this always an AoS player vs Fantasy player? We're getting new rules for WHFB, fraking hurray!

If this means new models, I'll cheer GW to the grave.

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6 minutes ago, Deepkin said:

The point is people loved the Old World and like to see it supported and not abandoned in the really weird way GW did. 

The hype train is here boys, and got no breaks

I still don't understand the train of thought behind that decision of resurrecting the old world, in whatever form. Anyway, for the fans, enjoy.

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I'm excited to see how this goes. Since it's going to well after the end of 8th, it's probably going to be a fresh start(I think 6th was the last more or less clean slate that didn't bring forward old army books?). I'm guessing it'll be a bit more streamlined in the way that Kings of War and ASOIAF are. But is sounds like it might also be a specialist games, so maybe it'll retain some crunch like MESBG has rather than being too dumbed down for mass market.

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2 minutes ago, pseudonyme said:

I still don't understand the train of thought behind that decision of resurrecting the old world, in whatever form. Anyway, for the fans, enjoy.

Because a) it will clearly make GW money 

and b) its an awesome setting that should never have been canned in the first place.

It takes nothing away from AoS, so if you dont like it then dont pay attention to it. GW has plenty of games I dont like. Im glad they are adding one that I do like.

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7 minutes ago, novakai said:

well I am not interested it either, but it a more a personal level since some WHF people really came at me nasty when I started AoS and I come to not really care for anything fantasy anymore despite getting into Warhammer through Mark of Chaos and Online. cheers to those to who are excited but I don't want to deal with fantasy players anymore.

That's what happened everywhere. But ****** them!!! The setting was nice and they have the oportunity to make nice gameplay too. Time will tell if it's just a bone for the jerks or a game to have fun and enjoy the old world.

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9 minutes ago, novakai said:

well I am not interested it either, but it a more a personal level since some WHF people really came at me nasty when I started AoS and I come to not really care for anything fantasy anymore despite getting into Warhammer through Mark of Chaos and Online. cheers to those to who are excited but I don't want to deal with fantasy players anymore.

You do realise that a lot of AoS players are former fantasy players, right?

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3 minutes ago, pseudonyme said:

I still don't understand the train of thought behind that decision of resurrecting the old world, in whatever form. Anyway, for the fans, enjoy.

Warhammer fantasy had 30 odd years of fanbase growth. Furthermore since its demise there are several other companies making successful and profitable rank and file fantasy games. GW is simply rebuiding some of its existing franchises and going after more gamers.

 

Note that many of Old World's failings weren't the game system itself but GW's marketing, handling and general attention to the game. It failed for many reasons; many of which could have been turned around if GW had chosen to take those pathways. They took a different path and it was a rough rocky thing but we got AoS out of it in the end. 

 

This is simply GW providing alternative options under their own company rather than leaving it to other companies to do it for them. 

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6 minutes ago, pseudonyme said:

I still don't understand the train of thought behind that decision of resurrecting the old world, in whatever form. Anyway, for the fans, enjoy.

It should be quite obvious to be honest. Pure fan service. People like it, people will spend money on it, GW does it.

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1 minute ago, Panzer said:

You do realise that a lot of AoS players are former fantasy players, right?

my group is of the younger crowd, there maybe some but a couple of bad apples really sour my view really

11 minutes ago, pseudonyme said:

I still don't understand the train of thought behind that decision of resurrecting the old world, in whatever form. Anyway, for the fans, enjoy.

probably to show Kings of Wars and ASOIAF that they are entering the rank and file TT area again and this is to show them what's up (kind of like how the streaming wars are also happening right now). especially since KoW is releasing their 3rd edition

 

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Awesome news. More warhammer in all its flavours is never a bad thing. Never. Few questions (well like a hundred but these are the select few).

 

- Will we still say the World that Was, or will we say the World that Was- but is. 

- Surely  Luthor Harkon and the Vampire Coast will be an Army at some point, no?

- can we finally explore Cathay and Ind.

- Will there be links to things like Idoneth, (ie more focus to sub-factions of parent races, looking more into the lore of Mathlann in the beginning) 

- It was 2013 when Angron came out from Forgeworld, 6 years on we’re still waiting for daddy primarch and 2 of his brothers, will this be a likely long wait to see Characters released again (Gorbad, Heinrich, Orion, Thorgrim etc) or will they just release the old models?

-Are the books going to explore the old world like the Horus Heresy in Tomes looking at specific eras or races.

- Are we talking plastic or resin releases.

- Do I tell my fiancé I will in fact not be saving for a deposit because Warhammer in  World that Was - but is, is getting an overhaul.

- Are we going back to 5 minutes to midnight on the Doom clock, or we exploring Ages like the War Dwarves and Elves or the invasion of Grom into ulthuan.

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16 minutes ago, Tidings said:

I understand this but I don't get why people can't be both? I definitely won't stop playing AoS, and we don't even know what the game will be lol. What if it's movement trays with round slots for your AoS armies to fit, and a slightly different ruleset? Like we just don't know anything about the game and won't for a while, so I don't see why we should already worry about the community splitting or anything. People on this site are almost certainly playing Age of Sigmar, and I don't see why they'd all take sides and scream at each other. Let's all just play ALL the games we like and be nerdy friends. 

I’d play both and use Warhammer the old world models as proxies I guess, as long as I can play with my round bases.

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1 minute ago, JackStreicher said:

I’d play both and use Warhammer the old world models as proxies I guess, as long as I can play with my round bases.

Yeah I really hope they design the game to work similar to ASoIaF, at least in terms of the movement trays. Round bases, square trays. I'm not interested in rebasing my armies again, and the models look better on rounds and it was a pain building models to rank up just right. But I do really miss the old style of combat and how important movement was.

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My dream would be for GW to open up a facility in China somewhere, and slowly reintroduce their entire back-catalogue on a web-only, Made to Order basis.

Kind of a new Citadel Catalogue-type thing.

 

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Just now, Kyriakin said:

My dream would be for GW to open up a facility in China somewhere, and slowly reintroduce their entire back-catalogue on a web-only, Made to Order basis.

Kind of a new Citadel Catalogue-type thing.

 

Why China - GW are opening a new factory in Nottingham already (I think its going online this winter). Made to order would be great if it were established as a formal service with models being cast to orders and with broken moulds being replaced. Not sure if that would ever happen though; but it's a nice dream (and would finally crush all those overpriced Diaz Deamonette prices! AT least to "GW overpriced" levels 

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I played WHFB zealously when I was younger and it holds a special place in my heart, especially the setting.

Even so, this announcement baffles me. It seemed we had gotten over the hurdle of leaving the Old World behind so we could move on to new realms. I completely admit WHFB was an awful, burdensome, finnicky game, and I have no interest in returning to it. My only assumption is that Forge World will be handling all of this, so as not to disrupt AoS content. If that's the case, fine. If there are people that really feel Fantasy Battles was better than the current AoS, well now they have something to look forward to. I guess we'll see how it turns out in a few years.

So despite being an old veteran Fantasy player, this holds no interest for me at the moment. I'm happy with the direction of AoS.

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I love it,i am a fan of fantasy and i HATE aos models(steampunk dwarfs,vapire elfs,sea monsters fliying).

 

I prefer traditional dragons,dwarfs etc.

 

I have stormcast,disposessed and high elfs. And i havent played to aos in one year due to how ugly are the aos models,how umbalanced is the game and how gw have deleted the dwarfs and high elfs of the game(50% models deleted and then a tome with dwarfs being nerfed from how they were)

 

If we gonna can play with fantasy models and some heroes and specials units from forgeworld gonna be great,if it is gonna be 100% only forgeworld models im out. I dont like work with resin and i can have some hero but i never gonna have more than 3-4 resin models in my army

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I am interested. I have come to terms that I am a builder and painter, and not really a player. I want a game supporting the models, but it's not my main focus.

I also prefer much of the later fantasy era designs to the AoS era designs. I like the detailing of modern GW though, and would like to see that in an older design language.

If this is in a scale compatible with my current miniatures, I am in. If not, chances are slim.

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I really thought we were going to see something in the age of chaos, age of myth but rank and file to keep the IP related to AoS. Really did not see this coming at all, nonetheless tentatively hyped as I LOVE the old world and rank and file games.

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In a weird way, maybe this is an attempt to liberate AoS from the past?

By that I mean, with the presence of a genuine "classic" type of fantasy game, AoS can truly go in any direction it wants without paying any more heed to the past than it creatively wants to.

Sure, they'll always be the "WHFB sucked - get over it" crowd (who probably would want the demand to be ignored completely for the usual tribal reasons) and the "every resource put into your Game X isn't being put into my Game Y" zero-sum-game crowd, but I think the Warhammer IP has enough meat on the carcass to be profitable for a non-mainline game(s) and it might be still worth retrieving the baby from 2015's disposed bathwater.

Also, this might be a defensive move to gobble up some of Mantic's market share. I bet Dreadball sales dropped significantly after Blood Bowl's re-launch - even if it doesn't make huge money for GW.

What's the current situation with 9th Age? If I was GW, I'd just try and go in with that ready-made system (while changing the names back, of course). Aside from a wobbly period a year a two ago, the impression I get is that it is fairly popular with those who play such games?

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The so-called "End Times" and the Mortal Realms are gonna be revealed to be a fever dream experienced by Karl Franz after accidentally ingesting a madcap mushroom imo

He will rise slowly from his sick bed and heave a heavy sigh as the realisation dawns that his imaginary friend Sigmar still isn't real

 

 

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Well, I am totally confused right now, after I saw this, to be honest.

My initial thoughts where:

a) Will this just be a rules parallel rules set, that brings back the WHFB rules?
b) Will they shoot AoS in the Neck, like WHFB?
c) Will this be the attempt to rewind and go for the soft reboot, like in 40k?

I always said, that the 40k way to soft reboot the rules, but to keep all the rest functioning, was the better way to go. The anhiliation of the WHF world was a rough mistake, imo. They could have redesigned the rules and go for it.

For that, personally, I hope they would rewind and go for that soft reboot style, by bringing back the lore, the world, the characters...just all of it, what made WHFB a good game backgroundwise. I know that WHFB was difficult to play for new players, and therefore shot itself into the knee a little, but I would like that soft reboot.

Need to say, that i never played WHFB, just saw it played, but I had a look at the lore, wich was fantastic.
So technically I am an AoS player, who likes the combination of both ( soft reboot version ) for our game.

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Well, this is not for me, that is for sure. (even though there is a chance at new tomb kings minis.... maybe)

I do hope the people that are excited now like it.... even if it might not be what they think it will be.

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7 minutes ago, Jefferson Skarsnik said:

The so-called "End Times" and the Mortal Realms are gonna be revealed to be a fever dream experienced by Karl Franz after accidentally ingesting a madcap mushroom imo

He will rise slowly from his sick bed and heave a heavy sigh as the realisation dawns that his imaginary friend Sigmar still isn't real

 

 

I know that it's just for fun, but they already answered that it will be like 40k and Horus Heresy. 

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