Warhammer - The Old World

[EccentricCircle]

Where doe that date for the Middle Earth License running out come from? I've not seen that, but if true its hard to know whether they would want to renew it. Certainly they have a vested interest in stopping anyone else from capitalising on that brand. Its hard to say whether its popularity will pick up again with the new series coming out. GW have also focused heavily on their own IP in the time since the LOTR range started coming out, so who can say. I'd love to get a few more expansions for this edition, even if it does end up being the last edition.

[novakai]

it would be weird since they did tease of redoing a lot of old miniatures and been hinting of something big happening for Middle Earth for the license just to run out.

[Warboss Gorbolg]

Small sample and all that, but I had multiple GW stores tell me that LOTR sells/sold pretty well as it’s popular with collectors and hobbyists even if the game itself never really took off.

[Noserenda]

LOTR was huge in its time, i was working front line for most of the original film tie ins runs and it was at least as popular as Warhammer, though the player age did skew a bit lower. It still has a dedicated following but im not sure how much of GW's insane growth the last few years has translated across to it.

Like, i recall the Return of the King release being a huge spike in GW profits but its barely visible on a line graph now given how the numbers have grown since (mostly) 40k 8th's release.

[Kodos der Henker]

2 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Lotr is not a core game any more though, and hasnt been for years either.

it is one of the 3 games present on the website while all the others are sub categories

1 hour ago, EccentricCircle said:

Where doe that date for the Middle Earth License running out come from? I've not seen that, but if true its hard to know whether they would want to renew it.

from the last time they renewed the license, which was ~2017

[Noserenda]

35 minutes ago, Kodos der Henker said:

it is one of the 3 games present on the website while all the others are sub categories

 

Yes, thats exactly what i mean, its there in name but gets no where close to the focus, releases, white dwarf coverage etc etc. Its a specialist game they have to treat differently due to the license.

[Kaleb Daark]

they were actually going to bin off middle earth a few years ago, but sales figures in the background told them that may have not been a great idea.  Hence probably relegating it to specialist games.  In that way it's "over there" with heresy and other stuff like bloodbowl that has a large understated fanbase  that will just keep buying whatever morsel you throw down.

[RuneBrush]

3 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

they were actually going to bin off middle earth a few years ago, but sales figures in the background told them that may have not been a great idea.  Hence probably relegating it to specialist games.  In that way it's "over there" with heresy and other stuff like bloodbowl that has a large understated fanbase  that will just keep buying whatever morsel you throw down.

It was Adam Troke who got GW to change their decision and invest in it again.  Basically many months worth of badgering and lots of evidence that there was a thriving demand and community behind it.

[Kaleb Daark]

On 8/6/2021 at 10:54 PM, RuneBrush said:

It was Adam Troke who got GW to change their decision and invest in it again.  Basically many months worth of badgering and lots of evidence that there was a thriving demand and community behind it.

absolutely, it's the same as the necromunda and bloodbowl communities, who when GW binned the games off still continued and nurtured them.  Also it showed that there was a different demographic of player to the normal 40k / AoS player.

Although in another league entirely, you just have to look at heresy, where I personally know a man who thought nothing of dropping the money on two warlord titans, a warhound and each of the cerastus knights.    when he came to sell all his heresy stuff off (and there was a phenomenal amount of it) due to some life changing circumstances, he netted nearly 20k ! incredible.

I think that in the background, and lets leave out the whole how it happened and why trope, GW saw that fantasy battle never died, it still had a community and was still being actively supported, and that was by more than a couple of hundred die hards in a bunker refusing to accept that the war was over.  Therefore ideal specialist games territory,  as lets face it... like heresy you can go for years without releasing anything big, but those people will always be there to buy whatever you do throw down.

It won't happen of course, but this would be the ideal time to bring rick Priestley back into the fold to head up the story arcs therein, after all he's not going to dealing with the mothership spreadsheet surfers and he's probably the closest thing they'll get to Alan Bligh for clarity of vision and understanding the DNA of not only the game but also of the players, and on top of all that it's the provenance and seal of authenticity that will repay whatever they would have to pay him in absolute droves.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Kaleb Daark

[Whitefang]

Just in case

Cathay is gonna be previewed in 10 minutes.

[AaronWilson]

Holy jesus, the Tzeentch stuff & animations look mind bowing good, Cathay look absolutely phenomenal. My favourite TWH trailer to date. 

[Gareth 🍄]

Incredibly awesome to see Cathay explored, super excited for that!

[Gareth 🍄]

Article up with some pics and info:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/

 

[SunStorm]

The pictures on the Community site are labeled as The Old World, so does that mean Cathay is confirmed as being in that game? or is it just the same design team who helped CA with the designs?

[AaronWilson]

Just now, SunStorm said:

The pictures on the Community site are labeled as The Old World, so does that mean Cathay is confirmed as being in that game? or is it just the same design team who helped CA with the designs?

In the article it does say the they have wrote 8th ed rules for cathay, paired with the old world logo I'd say so. 

[EccentricCircle]

Ooh, I really hope we get some of that as old world models!

[AaronWilson]

14 hours ago, EccentricCircle said:

Ooh, I really hope we get some of that as old world models!

There instagram / is full of post with Cathay designs & The Old World logo attached, I'm 90% sure they will be coming for old world. 

[EccentricCircle]

15 minutes ago, AaronWilson said:

There instagram / is full of post with Cathay designs & The Old World logo attached, I'm 90% sure they will be coming for old world. 

Yeah, the more about it I see the more encouraging it looks. I love those lantern airships!

[Lord_of_theRavenspire]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/07/discover-warhammer-the-old-worlds-ultimate-getaway-for-exiled-lords-and-rotten-princes/

New article up on warcom about the border princes. Some interesting tidbits, but for a tl:dr, started off as the 'your dudes' faction, the environment is constantly changing as new lords and ladies are made and deposed. The map just represents some such factions at a moment in time. Seems cool!

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

11 minutes ago, Lord_of_theRavenspire said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/07/discover-warhammer-the-old-worlds-ultimate-getaway-for-exiled-lords-and-rotten-princes/

New article up on warcom about the border princes. Some interesting tidbits, but for a tl:dr, started off as the 'your dudes' faction, the environment is constantly changing as new lords and ladies are made and deposed. The map just represents some such factions at a moment in time. Seems cool!

Also kinda seems like nothing, to be honest. But good that the Old World team decided that having an area where lots of different conflicts between homebrewed armies are plausible is worthwhile. They mention not wanting to over-describe, which I find promising, because over-description was always a bit of a drawback with the Warhammer Fantasy world for me.

[Lord_of_theRavenspire]

I did some enhancery, the factions seem to be r-l:

Harkon (Walach?)

Pontenne*

Reachwald

Esselhafn

Durlselmound(?)

Jaardorf

Uvetovsk

Ortegeta

Monteaux

Gastonne*

Gordorno*

Aquilena

Donalba

+ Athel Loren ofc

Marked with * seem to display Bretonnian imagery/symbolism

 

[Noserenda]

Low key concerned Old World is just a viral marketing scheme for a book of old world maps...

[Gotz]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:49 AM, EccentricCircle said:

Yeah, the more about it I see the more encouraging it looks. I love those lantern airships!

I think that the old world logo on TW3 is related to a branding strategy unifiying all the stuff from the warhammer setting. 

Being the same setting/brand sure its going to share some stuff, but not everything on TW is going to show on TOW and the other way around.

If they keep reprinting old warhammer books I'm sure at some point they'll start rebranding them as ToW instead of Warhammer Legends.

[Public Universal Duardin]

Reiterating myself from Rumour Thread...

 

Have you noticed the different fonts used on the different noble houses? Some are definitely Empire, but my thoughts that it showed cultural heritage doesn't make sense - Gastonne, despite Bretonnian coat of arms name has the 'Empire' font, while Aquilena differs and has a much more 'Bretonnian' font. Different fonts include Uvetovsk (Kislev?) ,
Ortegeta (Estalia?) , Pontenne (???) and Harkon (Vampire Counts). Rest seem to be Empire/Bretonnian, with focus on the former. Subfactions? Your Dudes? Hints of factions to come?

Edit: As you can see, we know for certain one font is associated with an existing faction. Considering the 'empire' font looks like Fraktur, a font associated with Germany, we have thar locked down. Ortegeta evokes 16th century manuscripts, and the star and moon on the coat of arms /could/ reference the religious diversity of Spain before the reconquista and inquisitions. Uvetovsk's imagery and name are obvious references to Kislev. Harkon's coat of arms features a grail where two blood drop falls - alongside menacing aura and red/black colour scheme its a clear reference to VC. Pontenne uses Bretonnian fonts. This leaves Tordorno, whose fleur-de-lis evokes Bretonnian heraldry but name sounds more Italian - as the font is unique from Bretonnian font Tilea is the best guess.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Public Universal Duardin

[silverstu]

Looks interesting- lots of mentions of dwarf holds everywhere, night and forest goblins mentioned and clearly a Tomb Kings icon at the bottom of the map [scarab and sunrays]. Good setting for a mixture of factions , although I do have concerns the focus seems to be mostly human factions so far- Kislev, Cathay, Empire, Brets and mostly the Boarder Princes..