zilberfrid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Overread said: I think GW is in a damned position either way. They've got other armies they clearly want to add to the game and there is a limit on how many they can support in total before it gets too much for them. AT the same time they've a lot of legacy models and old armies and old stuff around. I think its painful, its not ideal and its darn horrible if you've had one of those armies they've cut from the game. They could have done so much better than they have; but in the end we can only hope that after this and perhaps one or two more losses of models we will get over this hump of pain and move into better times. Where we see model additions and wherever GW removes a model its rare and often replaced with an updated sculpt. That's really where we want them, I'd honestly rather push forward toward that goal than get stuck in thequagmire that GW has had for the bulk of AoS's life thus far. So, crack open another stormhost of near-identical Stormcast? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, zilberfrid said: So, crack open another stormhost of near-identical Stormcast? Actually I think its clearing space for the two other aelf armies - the dark and light ones - that GW has been teasing and referencing in the lore for a long time now. Stormcast grew FAST, but I think even GW realises that they've basically reached a limit point with them right now. They can't easily add more units to the range without them tripping over functions of those that are already there. It actually highlights how Fantasy in general needs more subdivisions and groupings within its structure compared to 40K. In 40K you've got superheavies, anti tank, tanks, fliers, full time flying units; anti air etc.... Ergo there are lots of specialists. In AoS its much reduced, but then if you compare like for like points AoS are also more expensive at the same time. It's something that I think will shift, but only slowly over time. Right now I think new stormcast are going to be limited to characters here and there rather than whole new regiments. I also really hope that GW respects the fact that, whilst they sell lots, the approach to having loads of varied Space Marine Chapters doesn't actually help the game. If you look at 40K almost more than half the game is just variations of space marines; whilst if you look at AoS, Stormcast are but one of many many armies - granted a good few of the armies, like Daughters of Khaine, are quite limited in variety in comparison; but there's ample room to expand up to forces as diverse as Skaven or Seraphon. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, zilberfrid said: Wow, that's quite a mighty sight, I imagine! Well, I have my project here: The main problem is, I have only made a group picture of 3100 Points and there are basicly 4 Chariots, 4 Warlions, and and about 14 riders are missing at that point (and 1 Chariot and about 10 Riders aren't even build yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Overread said: Actually I think its clearing space for the two other aelf armies - the dark and light ones - that GW has been teasing and referencing in the lore for a long time now. Stormcast grew FAST, but I think even GW realises that they've basically reached a limit point with them right now. They can't easily add more units to the range without them tripping over functions of those that are already there. It actually highlights how Fantasy in general needs more subdivisions and groupings within its structure compared to 40K. In 40K you've got superheavies, anti tank, tanks, fliers, full time flying units; anti air etc.... Ergo there are lots of specialists. In AoS its much reduced, but then if you compare like for like points AoS are also more expensive at the same time. It's something that I think will shift, but only slowly over time. Right now I think new stormcast are going to be limited to characters here and there rather than whole new regiments. I also really hope that GW respects the fact that, whilst they sell lots, the approach to having loads of varied Space Marine Chapters doesn't actually help the game. If you look at 40K almost more than half the game is just variations of space marines; whilst if you look at AoS, Stormcast are but one of many many armies - granted a good few of the armies, like Daughters of Khaine, are quite limited in variety in comparison; but there's ample room to expand up to forces as diverse as Skaven or Seraphon. Oh, GW did seem to find out that not chucking Stormcast at everything is better, but it is a faction that has as many units (40) as what Daughters of Khaine, Fyreslayers, Idoneth Deepkin and Sylvaneth have combined (okay, that's 44, but still!). Not including them in Beastgrave was a good idea, otherwise I might not have purchased the set. Now I'll get two warbands I like, otherwise that would just be one and expensive basing material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, JPjr said: No please don’t. This hobby can be embarrassing enough without people going full ‘RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT’ on GW. I don't care about your opinion, everybody has one. Edited August 6, 2019 by Maturin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashendant Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 To continue the discussion on the Rumour Thread. Greenskinz still has points in the GHB. Gitmobs were outright removed from the GHB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Ashendant said: To continue the discussion on the Rumour Thread. Greenskinz still has points in the GHB. Gitmobs were outright removed from the GHB. This time GW has stated they put the units in Warhammer Legends, which is removal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrix Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 23 hours ago, madmac said: Seraphon also deserve mention, they have no less than 11 different finecast kits, and even a lot of their plastics are badly in need of replacement. Makes me wonder a bit about all the rumors of the Seraphon release being pushed back, I could see squatting a third of their range without replacements or upgrades for existing kits not going particularly well. They could always give them the Skaven treatment instead, but who knows. I am seriously hoping for a new saurus kit and some characters at absolute minimum. The modern kits I in that line are excellent but enough of them show their age to turn me away currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbossal Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 8:33 AM, madmac said: Seraphon also deserve mention, they have no less than 11 different finecast kits, and even a lot of their plastics are badly in need of replacement. Makes me wonder a bit about all the rumors of the Seraphon release being pushed back, I could see squatting a third of their range without replacements or upgrades for existing kits not going particularly well. They could always give them the Skaven treatment instead, but who knows. This also makes me quite worried, there's a few units in the range with old models that don't see much play. I'm specifically referring to Chameleon Skinks and the Skink Starseer - and if they are beginning to trim down ranges, those two would be the first to go. However, with the Skaven release, I don't think it's required practice by GW. Skaven still has pewters, ancient plastics, and tons of finecast. I am thinking we'll get a new Skink HQ model with a dual box and thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trayanee Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, zilberfrid said: This time GW has stated they put the units in Warhammer Legends, which is removal. No, its not. Dark elves are in legends too and retained points in GHB for their compendium version of warscrolls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJelly Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 hours ago, JPjr said: No please don’t. This hobby can be embarrassing enough without people going full ‘RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT’ on GW. #releasethesnydercut 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamose Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, SilverJelly said: #releasethesnydercut I had to look that up since I'd never heard of it before. The first website I found said, "The Snyder Cut is real. Do you want to know more about it?" That would be a hard no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/3/2019 at 10:42 AM, EccentricCircle said: Well, this is a sorry development. I can't say that I'm entirely surprised. Most of the stuff I expected to be cut has been, even if its been a bit worse than my expectations. Fortunately I think I've managed to get all of the models I wanted to complete my armies, so I'm effectively "safe". I've been through this before with Tomb Kings, and then goblins, so at least I'm used to it by now! I was really looking forward to getting a cities of Sigmar battletome, but a bit less so now. I think instead my next project is going to be "Cities against Sigmar" I like the idea of a rag tag collection of Dwarven, and Aelven armies united in the face of Azyrite oppression. I imagine them being hunted across the realms by battalions of Knights Excelsior, sworn to wipe out all cultural diversity from their tyranical God King's realm. Desperate last stands, and heroic sieges will abound as they fight to the last man to help all of their civilians flee into hiding. I'll see if I can do it using the rules in the new book, if not I might try to write up some homebrew rules for the stuff that is going to legends. Either way, Down with the God King! Let the Rebellion begin! Let's make a Facebook group and get enough people together in an "Order rebellion" group going until GW has to acknowledge us lol. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platypus Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Barbossal said: I'm specifically referring to Chameleon Skinks and the Skink Starseer - and if they are beginning to trim down ranges, those two would be the first to go. The Skink Starseer could easily be included in a multikit together with Slann Starmaster and Lord Kroak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricCircle Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 hours ago, The Red King said: Let's make a Facebook group and get enough people together in an "Order rebellion" group going until GW has to acknowledge us lol. Go for it. I'm keen to do something creative with all this from a lore or maybe rules perspective. Once the new book is out we'll know what's lacking and what would be cool to home brew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkspear Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 11 hours ago, The Red King said: Let's make a Facebook group and get enough people together in an "Order rebellion" group going until GW has to acknowledge us lol. Even better to use an army of compendium units to fight sigmar 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, darkspear said: Even better to use an army of compendium units to fight sigmar I have a General, and a Sigmarine for him to skewer, a classic George and the Dragon thing should be possible. Let's take displeasure to a creative tune, I'll make a small contest in painting and modeling! Edited August 8, 2019 by zilberfrid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 5:00 PM, darkspear said: Even better to use an army of compendium units to fight sigmar Let's launch a website rather than Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricCircle Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I was looking at mercenary forces, and thinking how strange it was for them to discontinue some of the stuff that they'd just promoted as mercs. However it occurred to me that we might have been drawing the wrong conclusions from the existence of the mercenary lists. What if they were always intended as a way to keep things in the game, even though they weren't going to be included in the new Battletome? No evidence one way or the other, and no real thoughts on what implications that might have for everything else, but it seems a bit of a disjointed marketing plan otherwise. Now though, mounted generals and dwarven canons may no longer be available, but anyone who has them can still field them as merc battalions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 @Doom & Darkness called this on his recent show: His prediction was that it was a way to give people a way to continue to use those models, which seems to be largely accurate. It's quite a smart move if so, to soften the blow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-not-kenny Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Axing the archers, eh? I guess that's one way to make me shift to buying Perry plastics when expanding my freeguild/CoS army. The one thing worrying me rules-wise is with the dragon blades gone there might not be a way to field "knights with lances riding horses" in the new 'tome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Not-not-kenny said: Axing the archers, eh? I guess that's one way to make me shift to buying Perry plastics when expanding my freeguild/CoS army. The one thing worrying me rules-wise is with the dragon blades gone there might not be a way to field "knights with lances riding horses" in the new 'tome. Not even the horse mounted General anymore, they've only kept the ugly Empire captain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Gisoreux Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 6:13 PM, Trayanee said: No, its not. Dark elves are in legends too and retained points in GHB for their compendium version of warscrolls. Right, but their profiles got removed again by GHB 2019 errata (except Master with Battle Standard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Duke of Gisoreux said: Right, but their profiles got removed again by GHB 2019 errata (except Master with Battle Standard). https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/age_of_sigmar_generals_handbook_errata_en.pdf Some of the dark elves have been officially removed from valid matched play. Edited August 14, 2019 by sal4m4nd3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, sal4m4nd3r said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/age_of_sigmar_generals_handbook_errata_en.pdf Some of the dark elves have been officially removed from valid matched play. It seems some things were not communicated well when writing the GHB 2019, mercenaries with models that went out of production later (and will have their warscroll moved to legends, based on all the communication GW gave us), and return of old profiles that got squatted again later (17, starhosts are a bit further up). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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